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I hate that they used these Charly Antolini drums for this one so much. He should sue them. Such an effing marvelous track.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl5...RwoFNsFut6UZdA

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[SimoneFlen']

[Praamsaga]

from what i can discern, you allow other people to make decisions for you. Were you there at the shooting? Do you personally know of anyone whose child went to that school? And when have you known the US gov't to admit any wrong-doing and especially on such a sensitive subject as a mass school shooting? Rather than allow news-pundits to influence your decision making, you can very easily test the true veracity of legal case provided you glean your information in the early stages/days after an event. By the time a month has passed you have waited to long as the gov't have people working around the clock in an effort to stifle truth,.

[Dusti_]

Originally Posted by Swd_cooper ↗

It was a training exercise that got blown out of proportion...I checked the child deaths in the tri-county area in Conn, there were never any reports of 20 children dieing.. alll the film I have was redacted and showed no blood in the school and the guy who was smiling at the live report is a paid actor...sandy hook was a staged event, so sad our government would stoop so low

Tell that to the victims families... fuck right off,how dare you...

[SimoneFlen']

Originally Posted by Dusti_ ↗

Tell that to the victims families... fuck right off,how dare you...

Pfft! You mean like this cunt? Absolute bullshit, it did not happen.

[Sugar³]

Originally Posted by Dusti_ ↗

Tell that to the victims families... fuck right off,how dare you...

[Nurse_Mandy]

Originally Posted by Steve ↗

Post your proof of this.

Alex Jones the famous conspiritard is being sued by numerous families over his insistence that it was a hoax, he claims no children were killed and it was a false flag operation in aid of a gun grab by the government.

In his pre-trial deposition, he admitted he was wrong and in his own words he suffered some sort of mania concerning the shootings. He's already been forced to pay $100,000 because he was in contempt of court. In a 20 December ruling, Judge Scott Jenkins of Travis County District Court in Texas said Mr Jones and his lawyer had intentionally disregarded an October 2019 court order to produce witnesses and other materials to the plaintiff in the lawsuit.

If this was a hoax or as you say a training exercise that went wrong, I very much doubt they would be suing anyone, wouldn't they just want it to go away quietly?

The families have been trolled from pillar to post because of assholes like Alex Jones, one family had to move from their family home. I mean it wasn't enough to have their kids die and their families torn apart, they had to go through more mental torture and anguish just so dickheads can get more views for their shitty youtube channels.

Hoax? Fuck off, no really do just fuck off.

Not really related, but recently..A lot of what Alex has said had come out as being true. I don't doubt anything anymore. Psycho's can be in any career field- even as leaders.

[avery]

I think this is some interesting insight into this case, the proposition being that either it was truly a hoax or a psy op with a heavy reliance on convincing everyone that it was a hoax so as to distract from the official narrative which contains many disruptencies.

The hoax theory reached peak popularity in 2014-2015, as a result of people like Wolfgang Halbig. There were several "anomalies" that appeared to indicate the shooting was a hoax all together, instead of the typical false flag / Black op we've seen many times before. However, when you look into these "anomalies" further, many of them don't appear to be legitimate. For example, let's take a look at the Wayback Machine "anomaly." The Wayback Machine supposedly showed "no internet traffic" on the Sandy Hook website from 2008-2012, leading some to believe the school was closed at the time of the shooting. The problem with this "anomaly" is that the Wayback Machine doesn't measure internet traffic, it takes screenshots from various websites across the internet and archives them. Several school websites in Connecticut had nothing show up on the Wayback Machine from 2008-2012, not just Sandy Hook.
Another supposed anomaly was that Adam Lanza never existed. Sorry, but I don't buy into that at all. There are several pictures of him available, both from childhood and adulthood. I know photoshop and cgi are incredible things, but the pictures don't jump out at me as being faked in any way. He looks very similar to his brother, Ryan Lanza - you can clearly see that they're related. Even with advanced cgi technology, I think it would be difficult to create a natural looking image that makes it appear two people are related.
Another supposed anomaly was the Robbie Parker press conference on CNN. While his behavior did appear to be out of the ordinary, that's just not enough to say the shooting was a hoax, in my opinion. That's way too big of a leap. When it comes to "conspiracy theories", I rely mostly on irrefutable facts. Sure, I do some dot connecting when there are too many coincidences to ignore, but for the most part I need hard facts to fully get on board with a theory. That's what I love about the Columbine conspiracy - 99% of the anomalies come from official police documents, so they can't be written off as "baseless conspiracy theories." But back to Robbie Parker, there are too many unknown factors that could explain his behavior that day. To conclude that he's a crisis actor, without any other hard evidence, is pretty lame, in my opinion. Some of you may roll your eyes at what I'm about to say (because debunkers love to say this), but one can only imagine what it's like to lose a child in this manner. It probably takes you to places you never thought were possible. I believe that could explain any odd behavior one exhibits after a tragedy. Now yes, watching the press conference, it's easy to see why people concluded that Mr. Parker made himself cry as soon as he knew he was live, but there are explanations for this. For example, maybe he didn't feel like crying, but he felt like he had to because people would accuse him of being heartless if he didn't. Again, there are just too many unknown factors to consider, therefore I don't think this is a solid anomaly.
There were several other supposed anomalies that led people to believe the shooting was a hoax, but most of them turned out to be bogus, or unverifiable. If you have some legitimate anomalies, please share them so we can discuss this further. As I've stated many times before, I believe the hoax theory was a way to divert researchers. My hope is that the hoax theory gets put to bed so we can FINALLY start to look at the shooting as a potential Black op with multiple shooters. That's the theory that should've been pursued from the beginning.
Without trying to sound pompous, I think common sense rules out the hoax theory. When you look at the amount of people who were at the scene, and all of the people who were interviewed (even little kids at times), it seems beyond absurd to me that every single one of them could've been an actor. I know how compartmentalization works, but even with that, I don't see how they could've pulled off a hoax of this magnitude.

Anecdotally, I can say that the shooting was absolutely real. I don't want to dox myself, but I live relatively close to where the shooting took place and there are Sandy Hook survivors attending my college. One of them was well acquainted with Olivia Engel. There was also a patient at my dentist's office who lost her child.

I can say with even more confidence that the hoax theory was meant to divert. They probably wanted to avoid another Columbine situation where people are focussed on the anomalies in the documents, as it's hard to debunk conspiracy theories that are based on the testimony of police and witnesses at the scene. The math is pretty easy on this one, in my opinion. The most frustrating part about this is you can't even attempt to talk about Sandy Hook from a conspiratorial angle anymore, without people assuming you're implying the shooting was a hoax. This was a fabulous psyop, I gotta give the Deep State credit.

The hoax theory gained traction right from the start - there was an air of fakery which most researchers picked up on and immediate suspicions re other shooters generally gave way into suspicion of outright fabrication. The likes of Halbig jumped on the bandwagon.

Based on the more recent images of Adam Lanza that were obtained via freedom of information requests, I'm inclined to believe that he did indeed exist. But the event itself is still extremely sketchy. It's not just Parker laughing and joking with the film crew before hyperventilating himself to get into character - there was a multitude of bizarre interviews from the likes of Gene Rosen and the medical examiner Wayne Carver. No Christmas decorations on display at the school, no attempts to bring out victims for triage, the media's use of footage of a drill at the nearby St Rose of Lima school - there were various red flags. It mounted up to the point where people en masse were legitimately questioning the veracity of what was being presented to them.

Pulling off a hoax of such a magnitude may seem incredible but Sandy Hook is a very small hamlet which limits the number of people involved. Operation Northwoods recommended the staging of fake attacks with fake funerals so I don't believe such fabrication is impossible, especially in a tiny community.

I'm not emotionally invested in the hoax theory vs multiple shooter theory, I'm open to either possibility, but back when open discussion was permitted on social media the hoax theory did win over the majority of people who took an interest in the case. No case before or since has caused such a huge proportion of people to cry fakery, which I think in itself is telling.

I'm aware that the hoax theory was around early on, but from my subjective opinion, it seemed like it really took off in 2014-2015 when Halbig started pushing it big time. That's what I was getting at.

Perhaps they intentionally created an "air of fakery" around the event, just to mislead people. I will give you that it did feel oddly different than other mass shootings. But that alone isn't enough for me to jump to conclusions. One of the biggest reasons I doubt the hoax theory is they were caught using operatives to push it.

There was an NPR article published yesterday about Sandy Hook and the "dangers" of conspiracy theories (https://www.npr.org/2022/03/09/10849...eth-williamson). It was the typical hit piece you'd expect. But while I was reading it, I had a light-bulb moment. On top of gun control and demonizing the second amendment, I think one of the major motives for this shooting was to demonize conspiracy theorists, and in the process, paint a very bad light on those who ask questions about future mass shootings. Think about it, before Sandy Hook, conspiracy theorists were never really viewed as any kind of "threat", they were just mocked and ostracized by the mainstream. The worst abuse conspiracy theorists would receive was getting called "unpatriotic" by 2000s era Fox News, for questioning 9/11. But ever since Sandy Hook, the vilifying has reached crazy levels where conspiracy theorists are now viewed as criminal, vile, insane people who harass the parents of dead children. It's gotten people like Alex Jones, who used to be one of the biggest players in exposing false flag shootings, to keep quiet and act like most shootings are spontaneous events now. I honestly think that may have been one of the biggest motives for this Black op. There's never one single motive for false flags, they usually kill several birds with one stone - and in this case I think they did this shooting for the typical reasons (e.g. gun control, further making schools prisons, inducing trauma on the public), but also to set up truthers and make them look insane and lose all remaining credibility (by misleading them with the hoax theory.) The reason I bothered making a post about this is because I think this is a legitimate motive for the shooting, and most people have overlooked it.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Vixənn ↗

& let's not forget the curious case of Noah Pozner, one of the poor, unfortunate victims at sandyhook, who enjoyed dying so much the first time, that he decided to do it again in a different school shooting 2 years later in Pakistan.

There's nothing curious about it, Tricky Vicky!

A number of explanations might apply to this puzzling photograph. The first is that an image of Pozner was mistakenly included in the vigil by someone who turned up his picture while performing an online search using a term such as “December school massacre” to find photos of those killed in Peshawar and did not recognize his face (because he had dark hair and facial features not unlike those of many of the victims in Peshawar). Another is that his image was deliberately included by mourners as a homage in order to publicly link multiple incidents of young, innocent victims’ losing their lives in senseless school shootings. A third is that a massive worldwide cabal colluded to perpetrate or falsify the murders of more than 150 students and teachers collectively spanning the globe from Connecticut to Pakistan, and the puppeteers of this conspiracy were so inept that they failed the basic task of obtaining novel images to assign to each of the victims of the violent acts.

In fact, the second explanation offered above appears to be what happened: On the day of the Peshawar incident a Pakistani woman created a collage of photographs of young people killed in school shootings and posted it to Facebook with the caption “They Went to School and Never Came Back.” Because the Peshawar shooting occurred very close to the anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre, she included a picture of a child from the latter event, namely Noah Pozner, along with pictures of Peshawar victims:


That collage was then printed out and cut up into the individual photographs displayed by mourners at a vigil for the Peshawar victims (as evidenced by the thick black borders underneath some of the victims’ pictures, such as Noah’s, showing where the original collage had been captioned):