The ILLEGAL President! No He Can´t!

[johnleeknoefler]

[quote=rob666;1996599]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler

This all hinges on every Politician in America, right or left wing, being OK with the fact Obama was born in kenya or wherever you guys think he was born........ Your telling me the Repubicans tried to oust Clinton for having an affair, but won't boot out a Keyan born citizen?
Your crazy if you think its possible.
100% crazy.
You really think theres not news media from around the world looking into this issue?
You guys are crazy......... He presented the long form, the Governor of Hawaii said its legit, all the major news media said its legit, his political adversaries say its legit........ what is it going to take?

Let's break your argument down to it's basic points.

"This all hinges on every Politician in America, right or left wing, being OK with the fact Obama was born in kenya or wherever you guys think he was born"

So if the polititians on both sides are quiet about the issue and say nothing then it's ok. But are they all ok with it? No. Not all. So a majority are not complaining. And those that do are ridiculed. And attacked in the media. So it's just better to be quiet about the issue. Hmm? Is that it?
You know I remember in Germany the entire German government was ok with killing off those who were a problem to the government. Those who disagreed were either killed, placed in camps themselves or ridiculed into silence. Or financially punished. So it was just better to be quiet. Same principle, just different situations. If everyone is ok with it or just stays quiet then it must be ok. Not a valid argument in my opinion.


"........ Your telling me the Repubicans tried to oust Clinton for having an affair, but won't boot out a Keyan born citizen?"

For sure I don't know where Keya is and have never heard of the place or heard of a Keyan. But even if Obama was born in Keya he would not be a natural born citizen of the USA but of course he could be a Naturalized citizen. Still never heard of Keya. Help me out here?
And comparing one situation that is unrelated and was during vastly different circumstances and different political times with what is going on now is just stretching your point to absurdity.
The problem with Clinton's impeachment was that he was caught lying. Something Obama does on a regular basis but Clinton lied UNDER OATH and that is quite a different thing. It's called perjury. And it is very much a criminal offense.

"Perjury, also known as forswearing, lying under oath or lying on oath, is the willful act of swearing a false oath or affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to a judicial proceeding"

So the vote to impeach Clinton was more inspired by his willful dishonesty rather than getting a blowjob in the oval office which is not a crime even if it is a bit tacky to say the least.

"Impeachment is a formal process in which an official is accused of unlawful activity and the outcome of which, depending on the country, can lead to the removal of that official from office or other punishment.

The word "impeachment" derives from Latin roots expressing the idea of becoming caught or entrapped, and has analogues in the modern French verb empêcher (to prevent) and the modern English impede. Medieval popular etymology also associated it (wrongly) with derivations from the Latin impetere (to attack). (In its more frequent and more technical usage, impeachment of a person in the role of a witness is the act of challenging the honesty or credibility of that person.)"

So your comparision of these two issues is in itself completely misleading and indicates that you are either very much misinformed or dishonest yourself or perhaps even delusional.

"Your crazy if you think its possible.
100% crazy."

Really? So those who disargee with your opinion and the opinion of the majority of course are insane. Just 100% certifiable. Right. Got it. No arguing with you is there?

Wasn't there a person called Galileo who disagreed with the majority and spent the remainder of his life under house arrest. He was lucky considering that he had to recant to avoid being burned at the stake.


"You really think theres not news media from around the world looking into this issue? "

Most major news media outlets won't touch this issue for obvious reasons. It's just too dangerous and they have too much to lose. But more than a few are looking into it and experts have already declared this latest document to be a forgery.

"You guys are crazy........."
I think we already went over this issue. But if it makes you feel better...

"He presented the long form, the Governor of Hawaii said its legit, all the major news media said its legit,"

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
— Adolf Hitler

"What luck for rulers that men do not think."
— Adolf Hitler

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. "
— Adolf Hitler

"Great liars are also great magicians."
— Adolf Hitler

"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one."
— Adolf Hitler

Enough said on that.

"his political adversaries say its legit........"
From a well known newspaper http://www.examiner.com/conservative...ficate-is-fake

"what is it going to take?"

Like we said all along... The real thing.

By the way, I spent about an hour last night just going over his document myself and I found some alarming problems. It was easy to spot that some of the parts of the document had been copy pasted from other documents. If I can find elements that were copied then it must be a pretty lame forgery. Easy enough to call names to those who disagree with you but this controversy just got hotter since the document raises more questions than it answers.

[GanjaLoco]

[quote=johnleeknoefler;1993787]

Originally Posted by rob666

I just find it interesting that when a fringe Republican ( Trump ) started taking up the cause very loudly, Obama very quickly presented the long form version and Trump very quicky shut up..... I also find it very interesting that Trump had previously said he was willing to use his vast financial abilities to look into the possibility it was a fake...... So far trump has practically dissapeared.

I mean really John, I don't believe everything I see or hear, but this would be a conspiracy on an unpresedented scale...... Isn't it time to jump off this sinking ship?[/QUOTE

Are you going to tell me the first one was authentic? And he spent 2 million bucks in courts getting the requests denied or thrown out and then suddenly for trump the punk he just puts out? It only takes one to create a forgery.

:yous illy

[johnleeknoefler]

[quote=Tmoney;1999775]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler

:yous illy

It took Obama 17 hours to decide whether or not to give the kill order. Really? 17 hours? I love it how they say Osama does not represent Muslims because he is not a true muslim. But then they provide him with a ceremonial islamic burial at sea. I think the only ship sinking is Obama's. Killing one muslim who has become irrelevant while giving arms to PA who have deliberately ambushed a Jewish family on it's way back from prayers in a family car doesn't help his case much. Nor does committing an act of war by providing arms to Mexican butchers who turned around and used those weapons and bullets to kill border patrol agents. Really shameful presidency. Obama is the new TWAP!

[rob666]

[quote=johnleeknoefler;2000121]

Originally Posted by Tmoney

It took Obama 17 hours to decide whether or not to give the kill order. Really? 17 hours? I love it how they say Osama does not represent Muslims because he is not a true muslim. But then they provide him with a ceremonial islamic burial at sea. I think the only ship sinking is Obama's. Killing one muslim who has become irrelevant while giving arms to PA who have deliberately ambushed a Jewish family on it's way back from prayers in a family car doesn't help his case much. Nor does committing an act of war by providing arms to Mexican butchers who turned around and used those weapons and bullets to kill border patrol agents. Really shameful presidency. Obama is the new TWAP!

Yep, the ahole is finally telling Israel what is what too..... 1967 borders.... no more bullshit.

If your going to attack a man, keep it to real things like economic policys etc etc.... none of this conspiracy BS.
Osama was irrevelent lol..... Then what was Bush's war in Iraq, or the thousands of troops in Afghanistan?
Your a nut.

[johnleeknoefler]

[quote=rob666;2008522]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler

Yep, the ahole is finally telling Israel what is what too..... 1967 borders.... no more bullshit.

If your going to attack a man, keep it to real things like economic policys etc etc.... none of this conspiracy BS.
Osama was irrevelent lol..... Then what was Bush's war in Iraq, or the thousands of troops in Afghanistan?
Your a nut.

Obama has been on both sides of this issue. We still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. I did not have a say in either war. Obama has merely extended the policies of Bush Jr and Sr two years into his own administration. By now these are both his wars.
Obama got shut down by Bibi big time.

"Netanyahu openly stated his own views on the Israeli-Arab conflict, and warned, ““A peace based on illusions will crash eventually on the rocks of Middle Eastern reality.”



During the meeting Netanyahu flatly rejected the possibility of basing the borders of a Palestinian Authority-led Arab state on the “1967 lines,” or 1949 armistice line.



“While Israel is prepared to make generous compromises for peace, it cannot go back to the 1967 lines,” he said. “These lines are indefensible, because they don't take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes.”





Netanyahu also brought up the problem of Hamas, reiterating that Israel has no intention of negotiating with the terrorist group. The PA is currently under joint Fatah-Hamas leadership; the Hamas charter calls to destroy Israel and force Islamic law upon Israel and ultimately, the world.



Obama had said Thursday, “How can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist? ... Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question.” However, he did not rule out talks with the PA even after its embrace of Hamas leaders.



Netanyahu emphasized a point Obama had ignored in his speech – the issue of where millions of Arabs who define themselves as “Palestinian refugees” will live if a PA state is created.



“The Arab attack in 1948 on Israel resulted in two refugee problems, Palestinian refugee problem and Jewish refugees, roughly the same number, who were expelled from Arab lands. Now tiny Israel absorbed the Jewish refugees, but the vast Arab world refused to absorb the Palestinian refugees."



“Now, 63 years later, the Palestinians come to us and they say to Israel: accept the grandchildren, really, and the great-grandchildren of these refugees, thereby wiping out Israel's future as a Jewish state. So that's not going to happen. Everybody knows it's not going to happen. And I think it's time to tell the Palestinians forthrightly it's not going to happen.”

[rob666]

[quote=johnleeknoefler;2010957]

Originally Posted by rob666

Obama has been on both sides of this issue. We still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. I did not have a say in either war. Obama has merely extended the policies of Bush Jr and Sr two years into his own administration. By now these are both his wars.
Obama got shut down by Bibi big time.

"Netanyahu openly stated his own views on the Israeli-Arab conflict, and warned, ““A peace based on illusions will crash eventually on the rocks of Middle Eastern reality.”



During the meeting Netanyahu flatly rejected the possibility of basing the borders of a Palestinian Authority-led Arab state on the “1967 lines,” or 1949 armistice line.



“While Israel is prepared to make generous compromises for peace, it cannot go back to the 1967 lines,” he said. “These lines are indefensible, because they don't take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes.”





Netanyahu also brought up the problem of Hamas, reiterating that Israel has no intention of negotiating with the terrorist group. The PA is currently under joint Fatah-Hamas leadership; the Hamas charter calls to destroy Israel and force Islamic law upon Israel and ultimately, the world.



Obama had said Thursday, “How can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist? ... Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question.” However, he did not rule out talks with the PA even after its embrace of Hamas leaders.



Netanyahu emphasized a point Obama had ignored in his speech – the issue of where millions of Arabs who define themselves as “Palestinian refugees” will live if a PA state is created.



“The Arab attack in 1948 on Israel resulted in two refugee problems, Palestinian refugee problem and Jewish refugees, roughly the same number, who were expelled from Arab lands. Now tiny Israel absorbed the Jewish refugees, but the vast Arab world refused to absorb the Palestinian refugees."



“Now, 63 years later, the Palestinians come to us and they say to Israel: accept the grandchildren, really, and the great-grandchildren of these refugees, thereby wiping out Israel's future as a Jewish state. So that's not going to happen. Everybody knows it's not going to happen. And I think it's time to tell the Palestinians forthrightly it's not going to happen.”

Bibi can say whatever the fuck he wants to, bottom line is without the Billions in American aid there is probably no money to build or maintain any more settlements.
Bibi doesn't want to accept that 1967 borders won't include some illegal settlements, unless he wants to give up something in return... He won't budge on Jerusalem either.
Cut off the welfare though, and things will happen.

[johnleeknoefler]

[quote=rob666;2023597]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler

Bibi can say whatever the fuck he wants to, bottom line is without the Billions in American aid there is probably no money to build or maintain any more settlements.
Bibi doesn't want to accept that 1967 borders won't include some illegal settlements, unless he wants to give up something in return... He won't budge on Jerusalem either.
Cut off the welfare though, and things will happen.

I agree. Give back the Sinai Peninsula back to Israel all the way to the canal. And stop the 2 billion in annual aid to Egypt as well as the millions in annual aid to Hamas and PA.
Also end the US aid to Lebanon and in fact end all US aid to foriegn nations either directly or via the UN.
Then Israel will not need any aid at all. Israel does not need the false friendship of USA.

[RetireeGeorge]

IN the first two paragraphs the reader knows it's "one of those".

The style of expression is unusual and I think it indicates the author is informally educated but wants their message to seem sophisticated.

Then there's the less forgiveable very deliberate use of misdirection and deceptively constructed conclusions that would not be acceptable writing for a serious newspaper article or for that matter a high school English report.

It bugs me because I know there are large numbers of people who lack critical reading skills and some can be manipulated by broadcasts like this.

I wouldn't have believed that after Bush, that America could find a greater way to look miserable. But the simply ugly, stupid and self-defeating campaign against Obama has proved otherwise. Something has gone seriously wrong and maybe it is, as is being suggested, rooted in a failure of education.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by RetireeGeorge

IN the first two paragraphs the reader knows it's "one of those".

The style of expression is unusual and I think it indicates the author is informally educated but wants their message to seem sophisticated.

Then there's the less forgiveable very deliberate use of misdirection and deceptively constructed conclusions that would not be acceptable writing for a serious newspaper article or for that matter a high school English report.

It bugs me because I know there are large numbers of people who lack critical reading skills and some can be manipulated by broadcasts like this.

I wouldn't have believed that after Bush, that America could find a greater way to look miserable. But the simply ugly, stupid and self-defeating campaign against Obama has proved otherwise. Something has gone seriously wrong and maybe it is, as is being suggested, rooted in a failure of education.

Bump for this.

[n2ecosystems]

The Constitution is the Constitution and if we can't even get a drivers license without presenting a birth certificate then why shouldn't our President have to do the same. If the birth certificate wasn't an issue then we wouldn't be hearing about it for years. He either is or he isn't and I can't remember spending time debating any other Presidents eligibility and that is because there has never been a problem. This administration wants to dissolve our Constitution and create a One World Order, why does he also chair the United Nations then, Constitution also says he cannot sit on any other foreign committees as that is a conflict of interest. Obama works for Rockafeller and the NeoCons, Henry Kissinger and the other Elites, bankers looking to abolish our freedom, bankrupt our country. This all started as part of a plan that took effect in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created by JP Morgan, Paul W., A. Rothchild and J.D Rockafeller. Federal income tax was signed into law and the right to print money to loan to the Government and charge the Taxpayer interest on the money supply was born under the pretenses that we would be protected from ever having another collapse of the banking system like 1929 "The Depression". The Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned banking cartel who has the power to control our money supply or our economy at their free will, create bubbles, depressions, force us to hand over trillions of tax payer dollars, dollars not even earned by taxpayers, to bail out banks that are all owned by the same people who created the problem to begin with.. They engineered the entire debt bubble in order to transfer wealth from the lower and middle class to protect the top 1% and the wall street banks. On top of that the greedy bastards charge our Government tax on the money they print out of thin air, which also causes inflation by reducing the value of your dollars worth. Meanwhile, you're willing to surrender your freedoms, give up the Constitution, your free speech, right to bare arms because you believe that 9/11 was an act of terrorism when in fact it was all just another false flag, Pearl Harbor, Gulf of Tulkan excuse to go to war and steal the oil from the Iraqi's and make sure that no out side dictator like Saddam was going to refuse American Dollars for the oil and force Countries to pay with Euros because that would threaten our Position as the world super power. Not to mention how would we be able to pay our national debt if the American dollar is no longer the world currency, which is merely dictated by the purchasing of Oil in dollars. It is all already decided, just like John Kerry could have had a million more votes than George Bush, that would not have changed the outcome. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rumpsfield all had a plan, plan 2000-global tyranny. Like Bush senior said "A New World Order," population control, a world where the corporations and the Mega Banks rule the world. Well, Builderbergs, CFR, Trilateral Commission. Sheep need to wake up and turn off American Idol. It's all coming, this is a planned financial collapse. I recommend you watch a documentary by Michael Rupert "Collapse" fantastic. Good Luck..