[Billthegravedigger]

But fuck it. Some believe in God, some don't. For those who do not believe he is real, what do you think about the Bible Code ?

Who wrote it, when and how ?

I know about them finding shit in other books like Moby Dick, but is nothing like the Bible Code. Why ? The Bible Code keeps proving to be real, and almost everyone knows it can not be a mathmatical statistic. The odds are too high for it to be chance.

There, the damage is done now.

Thoughts ?

[Warack60]

I'm a Chemistry major, and actually was exposed to Bible Code by my super religious grandfather in high school, anyways later in life for my major requirements I took Multivariable Calculus and Linear Algebra I got the basic exposure to how many possible mathematical operations there are and especially matricies which are the basis of the Bible Code, and how you can manipulate them to fit whatever you want. Even so Bible code is wrong so often and usually is only seen as right about something in hindsight; its really not worth studying. It's fun to play with for fun, but is really just people being hopeful for subliminal messaging from God.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by Warack60 ↗

I'm a Chemistry major, and actually was exposed to Bible Code by my super religious grandfather in high school, anyways later in life for my major requirements I took Multivariable Calculus and Linear Algebra I got the basic exposure to how many possible mathematical operations there are and especially matricies which are the basis of the Bible Code, and how you can manipulate them to fit whatever you want. Even so Bible code is wrong so often and usually is only seen as right about something in hindsight; its really not worth studying. It's fun to play with for fun, but is really just people being hopeful for subliminal messaging from God.

Thank you for your honest opinion, and respect.

[BigFoot]

Bill, would you mind giving a link to the Bible Code you speak of? I'm too stuck reading Obama's newest Tax Cuts Fiction Book to be bothered to dive into another Fictional Story ;)

Okay, that was the pun, but really, any solid links you can think of where I can look at this? Are we talking about another DaVinci Code?!

[Pyramid_Head]

I don't think this is a wise subject to talk about. But I do believe in God and Jesus.

[BigFoot]

I will come right out and say that I am "Spiritual"

I believe there is a higher power out there, whether his name is God or not I am not sure.

I'm not sure of the bible's story, essentially God impregnated a virgin, to give birth to himself, so that he could sacrifice himself, to save you from himself. Ehhhhh, just kinda sounds iffy to me--but my family would slap me with a leather-bound bible if they knew I said that.

[johnleeknoefler]

The "Bible Code" practice is technically known as "Equidistant Letter Sequences" It was invented by Jewish scholars and Rabbis. I believe that Gematria practice is the background culture that has given rise to this more modern idea.
For an overview on Gematria check this wiki link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria
I included the "bible code" wiki article here. There are some great references you can check out. What it all means? I don't know. I don't put much faith in Kabbalah either. I won't come right out and say it's bunk but neither will I come running to it's defense. Same for Gematria and ELS. I do believe in the Torah and Tenach since they are written over a span of thousands of years and are still relevent to this day. And I even believe in major portions of the "New Testement" bible as far as I can find no conflict with the Torah.

Jewish culture has a long tradition of interpretation, annotation, and commentary regarding the Bible, leading to both exegesis and eisegesis (insightful and false interpretations). The Bible code can be viewed as a part of this tradition, albeit one of the more controversial parts. Throughout history, many Jewish, and later Christian, scholars have attempted to find hidden or coded messages within the Bible's text, notably including Isaac Newton.

The 13th-century Spanish Rabbi Bachya ben Asher may have been the first to describe an ELS in the Bible. His four-letter example related to the traditional zero-point of the Hebrew calendar. Over the following centuries there are some hints that the ELS technique was known, but few definite examples have been found from before the middle of the 20th century. At this point many examples were found by the Slovak Rabbi Michael Ber Weissmandl and published by his students after his death in 1957. Nevertheless, the practice remained known only to a few until the early 1980s, when some discoveries of an Israeli school teacher Avraham Oren came to the attention of the mathematician Eliyahu Rips at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Rips then took up the study together with his religious studies partners Doron Witztum and Alexander Rotenberg, and several others.

Rips and Witztum designed computer software for the ELS technique and subsequently found many examples. About 1985, they decided to carry out a formal test, and the "Great rabbis experiment" was born. This experiment tested the hypothesis that ELS's of the names of famous rabbinic personalities and their respective birth and death dates form a more compact arrangement than could be explained by chance. Their definition of "compact" was complex but, roughly, two ELSs were compactly arranged if they can be displayed together in a small window. When Rips et al carried out the experiment, the data was measured and found to be statistically significant, supporting their hypothesis.

The "great rabbis experiment" went through several iterations, and was eventually published in 1994, in the peer-reviewed journal Statistical Science. Prior to publication, the journal's editor, Robert Kass, subjected the paper to three successive peer reviews by the journal's referees, who according to Kass were "baffled". Though still skeptical, none of the reviewers had found any flaws. Understanding that the paper was certain to generate controversy, it was presented to readers in the context of a "challenging puzzle."

[Billthegravedigger]

Thanks John. My dumbass did not think to put a link !!!

This usually is not a good topic where as shit will always go astray, but considering how many things can be found in it, there has to be something to it. I have heard a few people, Michael Drosdin being one of them, and he has written a few books on the issue, say they don't believe in God, but they can't deny the Bible Code either. There are too many specific things that are interrelated to be chance. I am not saying you can tell the future with it or anything, but you can put keywords in and alot of the time the information is detailed and correct.

9/11, planes, twin towers, twice, collapse, great slaughter, and several other things related will come up together. That can and does happen in any book I suppose, but not time after time.










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[Blewvane]

God rides a Ducati.

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by Blewvane ↗

God rides a Ducati.

As he should.