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Originally Posted by dark_angel ↗

Slavery and lynching is not so far in the past that blacks today are not affected. It doesn't seem like you understand that although blacks worked their asses off to help build this country, they received no compensation for their labor. They had NOTHING to pass down to their children so each generation lived in poverty. There is also mental barriers that exist due to a lack of identity. Many young blacks today do not feel as though they have any history because 90% of what they're taught in school is European history. They might see a chapter or two on Martin Luther King Jr, but not much beyond that.

First of all BET is white owned (Viacom) and it hasn't been a positive channel for black people in a long time. BET used to have programming that encouraged black youth to get educated and they had forums to discuss important topics. BET today shows nothing but worthless programming. If you're white, when you turn on the TV most of the programming is for YOU by default. The news and even most movies are already biased towards you. That's why programming and channels for minorities have to exist. You may have never given any thought to the fact that maybe minorities don't want to watch something like Sienfield or fantasy shows that depict 99% white characters (Game of Thrones).

How is it racist to have grants to encourage black to go to college and black colleges? How welcome do you think young black youth are made to feel in a predominately white school? Can you honestly say they're greeted with open arms and will experience no racism? Black colleges are an option for minorities to get an education in a different environment.

I personally agree with some of your comments but i do find it contrary as all hell to have white or black only college grants. Either or is going against what people want and that is EQUAL rights. But the problem still lies that the people most outspoken about equal rights, just want equal rights, ONLY if they benefit from it and give them an advantage over everyone else. Give immigrants and minorities the same playing field as a college age white man born in the USA and do away with affirmative action and the people (mostly minorities) will raise immortal hell and protest. But it makes it equal to do that so whats the problem?That goes for starting businesses as well, their are absolutely no tax cuts for a white man to start a business but come to the USA from Timbuktu and you can start one tax free for 10 years, bankrupt it, give it to your cousin, and he can do the same. Thats my whole beef with giving ANYONE an easier path to succeed. We each make our own decisions, if you cant graduate high school and get into community college with the same minimum score required of average people it is your own damn fault, you shouldve tried and not laid out of school.
I feel that if i was an african american and was offered acceptance to college with lower ACT and SAT scores just because im a "minority" i would feel like they were saying i wasn't smart enough to get in with a white person score and without an advantage. Thats my opinion, like it or not its the truth to me. Your opinion that blacks wont be received with open arms at a college says that your stereotyping white people and non minorities to be racist. That makes you a racist, against the aforementioned groups. My current girlfriend is african american so please dont come at me and say im a racist, ill just laugh it off.

[dark_angel]

Why is more people are properly informed when it comes to Affirmative action? Affirmative action has helped WHITE women more than any other group of people. Yet, I always see post by white people on forums about how if Affirmative action was taken away then blacks will moan and groan. I'm not going to post the full article here, but here is a link that talks about how Affirmative action has benefited white women. http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/aff...e-than-anyone/

As for equal rights, the playing field isn't level and you don't appear to have any experiences that have taught you what others have to go through. I actually don't think the problem is white vs minorities. The problem is rich vs poor.

The way you loosely use the term "racist" tells me you really don't have a good understanding of it. Stereotyping does not always have to equal racism or hatred. I could say "I think southern whites like country music." That's stereotyping southern whites, but does not mean I hate them or are racist against them. At worst, I could simply be ignorant to their culture. I don't know or care if you're racist... after reading your post I can see you're ignorant to a lot of the things non-white people experience but I think that's probably normal if you haven't put forth effort to learn. Saying "I'm not racist because my g/f is black" is probably the most ridiculous way you could have ended your rant. That could be like David Duke saying "I'm not racist... I have a black housekeeper!".

[cortdb]

Ms. Dark Angel,
You do not have to school me on affirmative action, although i did read your article you linked to. I know what the intended purpose was. I agree rich vs poor is the problem, but the problem lies in work ethic and in my opinion ( i know this will bring on the hate) the whole "victim" excuse people use for being lazy and unmotivated. Im not directing that at any race or gender because its every single one of them and i find it disgusting. You cant blame a rich man black or white who is self made for anyone's else's problem of not graduating college or high school for that matter and being poor or not working.Your right, the playing field isnt equal, its actually beneficial to minorities like a stacked deck, easier college admittance, more grants etc.All they have to do is go to free public high school and graduate! Heck, Businesses get tax cuts to have women owners and employ minorities so why would they not hire everyone they could get? Everyone in this country can go to public high school free. Wether or not they choose to go and do well is on them, no one else. They blame it on family, community, race and gender and the truth is they are lazy and looking for a handout. You can call me ignorant all you want of the issue but im well educated on it, and having a black girlfriend and bringing it up is a lot different then hiring a black house keeper. I just pretty much knew if i didnt say it then you or someone else would call me a racist, it always happens, its the rule, not the exception. I guess ignorant is the next burn on down the list from racist. Your right, I dont have any personal experiences that others say they go through but for example if im a black kid in a 90% black school then what reason do i have to drop out? White kids calling me racial slurs? I live in east Tennessee, capital of the racist world as some would think. There i go loosely saying racist again. But i have NEVER EVER in 31 years of living seen a white man or anyone else call a minority a racial slur or make them feel less a person than anyone else in my entire life. And believe me i have some friends that have other pretty low life friends that i would consider to be racists and ive never seen them disrespect anyone to their face. That does not mean it doesnt happen, but i feel as though if it was so prevalent in america today then i would have seen it at least once surely. Also calling my reply a rant is wrong, im just trying to debate with you. Black people for a hundred years wanted equal rights and desegregation and here you and other people call praise on all black colleges. Is that not segregation? Sure non-blacks can technically attend and do attend, but only to save money from a discrimination lawsuit. Otherwise why call it an all black college?

[dark_angel]

Have you ever realized that the quality of education is very different when you compare schools in low income areas to schools in upper/middle class areas. It's not just poor minorities are too lazy to go to school, even those that do go to their nearest public school and graduate... their academic programs are horrible in comparison to what is provided to upper class kids. Point is even a hard working poor kid still has the odds stacked against him because a mediocre rich kid is still receiving a better education and will be better prepared for a good college & a good career.

Why call it an all black college? I don't think the insitution do labels them sell "all" of any particular race. Lets take Howard University for example, their website is http://www.howard.edu/ and I don't see anywhere on it where they call an "all black college".

[dark_angel]

Typed too fast and can't edit. When I meant to type was "I don't think the institutions label themselves as all of any one particular race."

[tootsieflowrslave]

Originally Posted by dark_angel ↗

Have you ever realized that the quality of education is very different when you compare schools in low income areas to schools in upper/middle class areas. It's not just poor minorities are too lazy to go to school, even those that do go to their nearest public school and graduate... their academic programs are horrible in comparison to what is provided to upper class kids. Point is even a hard working poor kid still has the odds stacked against him because a mediocre rich kid is still receiving a better education and will be better prepared for a good college & a good career.

Why call it an all black college? I don't think the insitution do labels them sell "all" of any particular race. Lets take Howard University for example, their website is http://www.howard.edu/ and I don't see anywhere on it where they call an "all black college".

Dark angel, these comments are directed to the discussion and not necessarily anyone in particular.

After perusing the comments from everyone, a thought came to mind: Are there any "black only" colleges/universities in the U.S.? So after a little bit of research, I came up with some pretty interesting stuff. First things first, there is no such thing as an all black higher education institution in the U.S. as you rightly surmised.

What I found interesting however, was that the vast majority of historically black colleges (I am referring to schools where blacks constitute the majority of the enrollment, student body, and alumni), are located in former confederate states and most of these where founded during reconstruction era of the 19th century. Another large percentage of these institutions were also founded during the Jim Crow era in the same geographical region of the U.S., namely the Southeastern states. Given these factors, it makes sense that these institutions have had mostly non-black students in their respective histories. What's important to keep in mind is that during the time these institutions were founded, it would have been highly unlikely that black people would have been allowed to enroll in a predominately, perhaps only, white college during that time. It would make sense to me that even after Brown v. Board of Education, these schools maintained their historically black majority enrollment simply because by then, and even today, these schools perhaps bring a sense of identity to a populance that didn't have that luxury during the antebellum south, reconstruction, and Jim Crow.

Even so, enrollment is not restricted to black prospective students. But, having dated a white girl who went to Howard University, she never once gave me any indication that she did not feel welcomed there. She seemed happy and never gave me any hints that she wanted to transfer.

Beyond this, I think it gets very complicated on why more non-whites do not enroll in historically black colleges or just plain issues with the whole public education system in general. The only point I am trying to make is to explain why there are higher education institutions that have had a history of black majority enrollment and the fact that all of these institutions today are open to anyone.

The ***** college fund, affirmative action, and all that other stuff I shall not discuss....yet

[dark_angel]

tootsieflowrslave, good post.

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A lot of Hate

[clndstn46]

If you have to say something like my friend is black or 'I'm not racist but..' Then your words or actions are probably racist. You have a black girlfriend? So what? Knowing someone not white doesn't automatically exclude you from saying or doing something racist.

Why can't we just enjoy the pictures? Someone always has to bring up black vs. white. Smh

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