Video Shows Trooper Shooting Unarmed Man - Once a "hero" Now a Criminal.

[icheerthebull]

He was not ordered out of the vehicle, he was already out. The copper had no lights on so the driver would have no idea he was being followed into the garage. He was asked for ID and he complied.

[TheVrist]

A cop screaming to get out of the vehicle would make me more cautious, and would suggest to me not to continue to retrieve anything from the vehicle.


Of course when you're diving into your vehicle, who has time to think right?

[TheVrist]

Its funny though. Haf we change this a bit, add a gun, removing the wallet, everyone would have said "he dove into his vehicle to retrieve a firearm"

But since it was just an wallet, some how his rapid lunge into the cab is totally disregarded.

[icheerthebull]

Perhaps but I'd say if it was a gun the media would also report on how casual and complient he was "watch as he calmly reaches into his car, appearing to comply with the officers request, then, horror errupts"

The thing is it was not a gun was it. He was out of his car when the officer pulled over. The only thing the officer said was to see his licence. No 'dont move' no 'stand still' just a request for his licence. It was not a rapid lunge or diving into his car. He calmy reached inside for his wallet.

This shooting was not justified. If a case is persued they would have to argue that extenuating circumstances led to a brief impairment of judgement. Stress due to a period of long hours without rest, problems at home or maybe ptsd from a previous incident.

[TheVrist]

Ok. If that is "casual" to you.


Also the cop is YELLING get out of the car, as he is "casually" getting his wallet.

Seems someone in a casual demeanor would be aware of the sense of urgency in the cops voice, thus having time to recalculate his forward motion, and intent.

But since its a wallet, no purpose in rationalizing it right?

Because if there was purpose in trying too. Then somone would have stated that perhaps the kid was one of those unintentional hyper people that over exaggerate their movement as a personality traite.

Because truth is, there is NOTHING slow, and cautious in the drivers movement.
From start to finish.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by icheerthebull

Perhaps but I'd say if it was a gun the media would also report on how casual and complient he was "watch as he calmly reaches into his car, appearing to comply with the officers request, then, horror errupts"

The thing is it was not a gun was it. He was out of his car when the officer pulled over. The only thing the officer said was to see his licence. No 'dont move' no 'stand still' just a request for his licence. It was not a rapid lunge or diving into his car. He calmy reached inside for his wallet.

This shooting was not justified. If a case is persued they would have to argue that extenuating circumstances led to a brief impairment of judgement. Stress due to a period of long hours without rest, problems at home or maybe ptsd from a previous incident.

I agree. The officer caused the entire situation to go bad by not following procedure. And giving a order which the victim followed only to get shot. It's not ok for cops to shoot someone for moving too fast. Is the cops defense that he asked him to get his id. But he moved too fast so i shot him. It's not like he frantically dove into the car like I've read here. The cop was still shooting at him when his hands were clearly in the air. I question this cops ability to safely do his job.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by TheVrist

Ok. If that is "casual" to you.


Also the cop is YELLING get out of the car, as he is "casually" getting his wallet.

Seems someone in a casual demeanor would be aware of the sense of urgency in the cops voice, thus having time to recalculate his forward motion, and intent.

But since its a wallet, no purpose in rationalizing it right?

Because if there was purpose in trying too. Then somone would have stated that perhaps the kid was one of those unintentional hyper people that over exaggerate their movement as a personality traite.

Because truth is, there is NOTHING slow, and cautious in the drivers movement.
From start to finish.

And there's NOTHING ok about what that cop did. You're right the victim didn't move slow and cautiously. Nor did he move frantically. In the victims mind he is just getting his id. It probably never crossed his mind he would be shot.

Look at how many shots that cop took. I question this cops actions not the actions of a young man who did nothing wrong but not knowing how unstable the cop was.

[30564U]

Where does all this police knowledge come from? Icheerthebull isn't even American and to my knowledge, neither niknik nor Icheerthebull have ever been police officers or in the situation shown in the video. Where does all this expertise and experience come from? Unless you've been there...you're all talking out of your collective butts. When I make a comment about police use of force or procedure, it's back up by years of actual experience, education specifically related to the subject, years of writing police use of force policy, and decades of investigating use of force and use of deadly force incidents. What do you bring to the table...what you've seen on television or in the movies? I just love how everyone gets to take America down the road...especially those that aren't even from America shouting the loudest. Here's a lighting bolt of reality...every country is culturally different and has different rules, laws, and norms dealing with what the expect their police to do. What's good here in the US...would never be acceptable in the UK, and many of the pussified and weakassed things that UK police do would never be acdepted in America. Well duh! Foreigners are never going to fully understand another country's norms unless they've lived in that country for a considerable snout of time. I've seen videos of UK police officers doing the stupidest things and looking like fools...the difference is that I understand that it's my experience in American law enforcement that makes me feel that the UK officers are stupid and weak...in the UK they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do...different societal expectations...duh.

[icheerthebull]

Originally Posted by TheVrist

Ok. If that is "casual" to you.


Also the cop is YELLING get out of the car, as he is "casually" getting his wallet.

Seems someone in a casual demeanor would be aware of the sense of urgency in the cops voice, thus having time to recalculate his forward motion, and intent.

watch it again, he yells get 'out of the car' and had fired his first shot before he could say it again, I think it was 'get ou [first shot] t. As soon as the cop shouted 'out of the car' he got out. Im sorry but you cant really question his intent. There was no gun in the car, did he intend to beat the copper to death with his wallet?

and 30564U stupid and weak? cultural norms. Ill save my breath and just agree with you. You are totally right. Thats some bang up police work by the copper in vid. Such high standards you have set for the new recruits officer

[30564U]

Those of us that have actually been in exactly those use of force or use of deadly force situations resent the living hell out of those of you armchair quarterbacks talking out your asses and critiquing every little wothless nuance and detail. I've got an idea...instead of liping off and whining around, why don't you put on a uniform, strap on a handgun, and actually put yourself (and your future, your family's future, and your reputation) on the line with every traffic stop or citizen contact...let's see just how well you ass clowns handle the pressure, stress, and hatred. You have no idea what police officers go through and your lame and uninformed attempts at finding fault or explanation are insulting.