[Nite]

Even as someone who has never had children I cannot fathom how they as parents can stand by and literally watch their children waste away. If the child was not responding to medical treatment there is always the option of a second opinion, where do you go for alternative treatment if God isn't healing the child?

[Spitfire Dynamo]

"I will pray for you" translation: I want the best for you, as long as it takes absolutely no effort on my part.

[DiamondSmiles]

Originally Posted by Nite ↗

Even as someone who has never had children I cannot fathom how they as parents can stand by and literally watch their children waste away. If the child was not responding to medical treatment there is always the option of a second opinion, where do you go for alternative treatment if God isn't healing the child?

I don't have children either, but, I have been babysitting for about 40 years.

I will never, ever get it!

There are so many women and couples who would give anything for a baby.

My heart breaks for them and the tortured and murdered babies when I read this kind of story <3

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MARYCLAIRE DALE

Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA - February 19, 2013 (WPVI) -- A couple who believed in faith-healing were sentenced Wednesday to 3½ to seven years in prison in the death of a second child who never saw a doctor despite being stricken with pneumonia.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible defied a court order to get medical care for their children after their 2 yearbold son, Kent, died in 2009. Instead, they tried to comfort and pray over 8 month old Brandon last year as he, too, died of treatable pneumonia.

"My religious beliefs are that you should pray, and not have to use medicine. But because it is against the law, then whatever sentence you give me, I will accept," Catherine Schaible, 44, told the judge. She added that her beliefs have since changed.

The Schaibles are third-generation members of an insular Pentecostal community, the First Century Gospel Church in northeast Philadelphia, where they also taught at the church school. They have seven surviving children.

Judge Benjamin Lerner rejected defense claims that their religious beliefs, "clashed," with the 2011 court order to get annual checkups and call a doctor if a child became ill. The order came after a jury convicted them of involuntary manslaughter in Kent's death, and they were sentenced to 10 years of probation.

"April of 2013, wasn't Brandon's time to die," Lerner said, noting the violence committed throughout human history in the name of religion. "You've killed two of your children. ... Not God. Not your church. Not religious devotion. You."

Experts say about a dozen U.S. children die in faith healing cases each year.

The Schaibles are the rare couple to lose a second child that way. Their pastor, Nelson Clark, blamed Kent's death on a "spiritual lack" in the parents' lives, and insisted they would never seek medical care, even if another child was dying.

"It was so foreseeable to me that this was going to happen," said Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore, who prosecuted both cases. "Everybody in the system failed these children."

After the first death, she and public defender, Mythri Jayaraman, agreed that the couple's beliefs were so ingrained that their children remained at risk. They asked the earlier judge to have the family supervised by a Department of Human Services caseworker. Instead, the judge assigned them to probation officers, who are not trained to monitor children's welfare.

Pescatore has called Brandon's symptoms, "eerily similar," to Kent's. They included labored breathing and a refusal to eat.

In his police statement last year, Herbert Schaible, 45, said, "We believe in divine healing, that Jesus shed blood for our healing and that he died on the cross to break the devil's power."

The Schaibles pleaded no contest to third-degree murder in Brandon's death, and faced a maximum 20 to 40 year term. Pescatore asked for eight to 16 years, while Jayaraman sought less than two years for Catherine Schaible.

"I didn't know what to do when Brandon was sick, because it was much quicker," said Catherine Schaible, who said he died within a few days. "The D.A. is actually right. I feel like I failed as a mother because they're not alive."

Herbert Schaible has already served about a year, while his wife has been free on bail.

A videotape played in court showed her on a weekly supervised visit, when she brought her children their favorite meals, along with games and birthday treats. Six of them are now in foster care, some with relatives. They attend public schools for the first time, and are getting medical, dental and vision care. Several now wear glasses.

The oldest child, who is 18, sat in court with his grandparents, the family pastor and other supporters. They listened as Herbert Schaible's lawyer called the patriarch, "a good man, a righteous man, a spiritual man."

"He's still grieving the loss of his two sons," lawyer Bobby Hoof said.

[ices]

Murika!

You guys go halfway around the globe to bomb the shit out of moronic inbred fucks who believe in one god above all and yet you have thousands of them in your own back yard.

These people deserve to be sterilised and used as slaves. They're no good for anything else.

If the kid got better "its a miracle", if he died which has happened then its" gods will".

You're telling me these people are not deserving of death or imprisonment? You lock people up for possessing a small bit of weed for fucks sake.

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Originally Posted by ices ↗

Murika!

You guys go halfway around the globe to bomb the shit out of moronic inbred fucks who believe in one god above all and yet you have thousands of them in your own back yard.

These people deserve to be sterilised and used as slaves. They're no good for anything else.

If the kid got better "its a miracle", if he died which has happened then its" gods will".

You're telling me these people are not deserving of death or imprisonment? You lock people up for possessing a small bit of weed for fucks sake.

Agreed! I've always agreed on those two points.

We need to take care of our own and punish murderers and all criminals really, but, especially baby killers.

Our schools are pitiful, but, they pay to keep people in jail instead.

The last estimate was $6,000 per child in school a year and $40,000 to house a piece of shit!

Wow! This might be the first time you and I have agreed on a thread, ices, lol!