[GRiZ]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

Your- "your guns can't protect you from a govt" said no unarmed revolutionary before.

Bare in mind, Britain is the reason we do have the 2n
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The US has over 150 million armed citizens. Little over 2 million armed service personal.

Your logic isn't sound, to say the least. Consider this, how many years were we at war in the middle east fighting against an army of 60 thousand?

There were over 800 thousand hunting licenses issued in Florida, alone, last season.

As far as the prison strawman-
I said in jail for "wrong think"- not for committing actual crimes.

The rest of the world thinks your logic isn't "sound". You're not even using that correctly. It's only Americans that have been brainwashed by gun culture all their lives that think they need guns.

Also, Britain is not the reason we have the 2nd amendment. Do you even know the history of the revolutionary war? A bunch of angry ungrateful Euro-Americans upset over being taxed (when they were the lowest taxed colonies under the British Empire) for all the military aid GB sent over to evict the French and reel their Native tributaries during the Seven Years War under Pitt's "America First" policy. The 2nd amendment was passed so as to expand the frontier and push back the Native Americans that the United States were forcing themselves upon. Jefferson wrote of this many times and Madison himself, while hating Jefferson for him having pulled his endowments from William & Mary to fund the University of Virginia, agreed with Jefferson on further encroachments into ancestral Native lands.

You are brainwashed by American propaganda this whole idea of overthrowing tyrannical governments whilst you yourself live beneath the yoke of one. The United States is bombing 8 countries. It throws people into prisons for any minor offense. It has literally destroyed an entire demographic of the American population. You and Kanda can sit here all you like and regurgitate Fox News and republican talking points all you like. I, and the rest of the world, know that laws which enable any idiot to walk out and purchase a weapon intended to cause mass casualties is completely insane. Bringing up cars and horses makes you sound only even more ridiculous.

[GRiZ]

Originally Posted by Kanda444 ↗

except that the majority of gun deaths in the US...arent mass shootings and mass shootings arent the most serious public safety issues here. its just the one people are the most scared of because the media plasters that bullshit everywhere.

saying 'just get rid of guns' is a mindless platitude that doesnt actually apply to the US. explain, exactly, how you think youre going to get 300 million guns off the streets in a nation where people love them. thats like saying 'just get rid of drugs'. good idea. what next? just teach people not to rape or kill?

instead, im being realistic. i understand that banning guns...is only going to create a black market for them as many, many guns in the US arent registered and many others wont readily be given up.

...but youre right...just say 'blame guns' and pretend like that's a morally and intellectually sound argument and not a tired platitude.

What's tired is the "blame everything else but the guns" rhetoric. "It'll create a black market". Okay, so what? That still makes it more difficult for a moronic 16 year old that can't handle his emotional problems to pick up an AR-15 and walk into a school and shoot up a bunch of little kids.

I can't believe I'm even entertaining this discussion.

I'd recommend looking up modus ponens and Tollens and syllogisms because you and vrist are both not using "sound" correctly in this conversation. It you'd like I'll write you out some very valid and sound premises.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

What's tired is the "blame everything else but the guns" rhetoric. "It'll create a black market". Okay, so what? That still makes it more difficult for a moronic 16 year old that can't handle his emotional problems to pick up an AR-15 and walk into a school and shoot up a bunch of little kids.

I can't believe I'm even entertaining this discussion.

I'd recommend looking up modus ponens and Tollens and syllogisms because you and vrist are both not using "sound" correctly in this conversation. It you'd like I'll write you out some very valid and sound premises.

youre not entertaining anything...instead, your condescendingly avoiding what i said and are pivoting (while being insolent about it).

a sound argument is one that is valid. you've yet to invalidate it other than to say 'yeah, youre right...so what'.

if you dont understand why prohibition of things equates to a black market (which makes it easier for a 16 year old to get a gun. now, the only way is for them to steal one. they cant buy one), you've got a lot of ground to cover before you claim to be 'right'.

tell me: did legalizing marijuana in some states make it easier or harder for high school kids to get drugs? (source) so, when the media and the government have a 'war on drugs'....that made things...better than legalization and safety education?

you dont think guns will flood in over the border, just like drugs?

again, tell me exactly how you think the US can feasibly 'ban guns', including where the funding will come from?

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

The rest of the world thinks your logic isn't "sound". You're not even using that correctly. It's only Americans that have been brainwashed by gun culture all their lives that think they need guns.

Also, Britain is not the reason we have the 2nd amendment. Do you even know the history of the revolutionary war? A bunch of angry ungrateful Euro-Americans upset over being taxed (when they were the lowest taxed colonies under the British Empire) for all the military aid GB sent over to evict the French and reel their Native tributaries during the Seven Years War under Pitt's "America First" policy. The 2nd amendment was passed so as to expand the frontier and push back the Native Americans that the United States were forcing themselves upon. Jefferson wrote of this many times and Madison himself, while hating Jefferson for him having pulled his endowments from William & Mary to fund the University of Virginia, agreed with Jefferson on further encroachments into ancestral Native lands.

You are brainwashed by American propaganda this whole idea of overthrowing tyrannical governments whilst you yourself live beneath the yoke of one. The United States is bombing 8 countries. It throws people into prisons for any minor offense. It has literally destroyed an entire demographic of the American population. You and Kanda can sit here all you like and regurgitate Fox News and republican talking points all you like. I, and the rest of the world, know that laws which enable any idiot to walk out and purchase a weapon intended to cause mass casualties is completely insane. Bringing up cars and horses makes you sound only even more ridiculous.

im not a republican, nor am i on the right at all...and i dont watch Fox or MSNBC...or any US news channels. actually ask Vrist how often we agree on political topics. its almost never.

tell me again how its me who is brainwashed by propaganda while you parrot talking points youve picked up.

its amazing how im a 'liberal' or a 'republican' or whatever the opposing person wants to claim. ive been called a jew, a jew posting as an atheist to discredit muslims, a muslim, a christian posing as an atheist....the list goes on and on. i'd prefer if people just honestly deal with arguments.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

The rest of the world thinks your logic isn't "sound". You're not even using that correctly. It's only Americans that have been brainwashed by gun culture all their lives that think they need guns.

Also, Britain is not the reason we have the 2nd amendment. Do you even know the history of the revolutionary war? A bunch of angry ungrateful Euro-Americans upset over being taxed (when they were the lowest taxed colonies under the British Empire) for all the military aid GB sent over to evict the French and reel their Native tributaries during the Seven Years War under Pitt's "America First" policy. The 2nd amendment was passed so as to expand the frontier and push back the Native Americans that the United States were forcing themselves upon. Jefferson wrote of this many times and Madison himself, while hating Jefferson for him having pulled his endowments from William & Mary to fund the University of Virginia, agreed with Jefferson on further encroachments into ancestral Native lands.

You are brainwashed by American propaganda this whole idea of overthrowing tyrannical governments whilst you yourself live beneath the yoke of one. The United States is bombing 8 countries. It throws people into prisons for any minor offense. It has literally destroyed an entire demographic of the American population. You and Kanda can sit here all you like and regurgitate Fox News and republican talking points all you like. I, and the rest of the world, know that laws which enable any idiot to walk out and purchase a weapon intended to cause mass casualties is completely insane. Bringing up cars and horses makes you sound only even more ridiculous.

Your "everyone I disagree with is brainwashed" argument isn't a winning position, considering brainwashing comes from tapping into the emotions of those easily manipulated. The core of your argument is wrapped tightly in pure subjective thinking.

First, you jump right to liberal instilled talking points.

Accusing me of being part of a gun culture. I don't own any guns, haven't owned one in years. Really not motivated to even own one, at the moment.

Accused me of being a republican- last time I voted, it was Obama's first term (regretfully)

I don't watch MSM, so you lost there. I'm more inclined to tell you that MSM is part of all the problems, more so than guns.

I'm the brainwashed one, yet you resort to a piece of rewritten history made up to demonize forefathers. The second amendment had little to do with native Americans. The second amendment was actually a compromise made by anti-federalist, and federalist. One supported the Constitution, as it was written, while the other wanted to give states more power (where national guards came from) no the less, it was in response to warding off the English, with guns, and promoted as a way to be secure in fighting off tyrannical govt.

And I'll end with this-

>"The govt is already tyrannical."

>" Let's give them our guns."

[Nickola]

I don’t know why people overlook suicide with a firearm issue.
Do you not think that suicide completion rates would decline with harder access to firearms?

There would be more survival rates and more people able to get the help they need.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by Nickola ↗

I don’t know why people overlook suicide with a firearm issue.
Do you not think that suicide completion rates would decline with harder access to firearms?

There would be more survival rates and more people able to get the help they need.

Not really. Overdoses, hangings, cuttings, automobile related suicides, would sky-rocket, and we'll be left with an illusion that gun-related suicides were a fix, with gun control, since we can't call it such.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by Nickola ↗

I don’t know why people overlook suicide with a firearm issue.
Do you not think that suicide completion rates would decline with harder access to firearms?

There would be more survival rates and more people able to get the help they need.

i dont think suicide should be illegal or made hard for people to accomplish. id prefer somebody kill themselves with a gun and get it over with than mess up an OD and be strapped with more bills and no real help.


ideally, obviously, i wish there was more mental health help...but, here, there isnt, especially if you dont have cash.

[SickNasty1]

Okay.. so off topic from y’alls political debate, but how why can videos and photos arise of stoneman Douglas but not here? I’m disappointed at the lack of perspective

[emergenurse]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Are you saying you believe these other countries (like Australia) are any more controlled by their government than is the population of the United States?

Also, there are more people improsoned right now in the United States than ever was in the history of the worlds nations combined. Most of these people incarcerated were incarcerated for non-violent, victimless offenses.

But all is good so long as you labor under the delusion you can imagine overthrowing an already tyrannical government with your AR-15, right?

These weapons are completely useless and serve no purpose other than to inflict mass casualties. If you need to defend your home with a six shooter, go for it. Nobody needs ak-47's, ar-15's and the likes of them.

Define “victimless” crime for me. Unless it has to do with marijuana, which I don’t think should be illegal, I’ll bet you can’t. There are always negative, or potentially negative impacts. For example, someone gets arrested for DWI rather than being arrested for actually killing someone while impaired is not a victimless crime IMO. Same goes for carrying a gun. While it is not illegal to carry one (yet the brainless snowflakes are trying to make that happen) murdering people with it is.
Do me a favor and go to http://republicbroadcasting.org/ and wake up.