[GRiZ]

Originally Posted by Coreym07 ↗

I'll keep em, thank you. If not guns, knives, if not knives, bombs, go on and on and on. It's society and culture and a million other reasons. It's not a "ban guns" and the problem goes away, the problem will still be there, the method of which is what will change.

When I see somebody stab to death 500 people in under ten minutes, ill call for a ban on knives too. Til then, get rid of crap literally intended to inflict mass casualties.

Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

[TheVrist]

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If leftist and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides......Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It's pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

Remember, when it comes to "gun control," the important word is “control," not “gun."

- Ted Nugent.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Yup... blame everything except the guns. Murica.

Not like getting rid of the guns has worked for every other country that's done it, right?

The only thing that worked for those countries is a nation of people controlled by their govt. That's why people are getting tossed in jail for wrong think.

[GRiZ]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

The only thing that worked for those countries is a nation of people controlled by their govt. That's why people are getting tossed in jail for wrong think.

Are you saying you believe these other countries (like Australia) are any more controlled by their government than is the population of the United States?

Also, there are more people improsoned right now in the United States than ever was in the history of the worlds nations combined. Most of these people incarcerated were incarcerated for non-violent, victimless offenses.

But all is good so long as you labor under the delusion you can imagine overthrowing an already tyrannical government with your AR-15, right?

These weapons are completely useless and serve no purpose other than to inflict mass casualties. If you need to defend your home with a six shooter, go for it. Nobody needs ak-47's, ar-15's and the likes of them.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Are you saying you believe these other countries (like Australia) are any more controlled by their government than is the population of the United States?

Also, there are more people improsoned right now in the United States than ever was in the history of the worlds nations combined. Most of these people incarcerated were incarcerated for non-violent, victimless offenses.

But all is good so long as you labor under the delusion you can imagine overthrowing an already tyrannical government with your AR-15, right?

These weapons are completely useless and serve no purpose other than to inflict mass casualties. If you need to defend your home with a six shooter, go for it. Nobody needs ak-47's, ar-15's and the likes of them.

Your- "your guns can't protect you from a govt" said no unarmed revolutionary before.

Bare in mind, Britain is the reason we do have the 2n
......

The US has over 150 million armed citizens. Little over 2 million armed service personal.

Your logic isn't sound, to say the least. Consider this, how many years were we at war in the middle east fighting against an army of 60 thousand?

There were over 800 thousand hunting licenses issued in Florida, alone, last season.

As far as the prison strawman-
I said in jail for "wrong think"- not for committing actual crimes.

[TheVrist]

.These weapons are completely useless and serve no purpose other than to inflict mass casualties. If you need to defend your home with a six shooter, go for it. Nobody needs ak-47's, ar-15's and the likes of them.

[Oswald2001]

And how many automobile/truck involved deaths occur every year?

We could go back to horses, but horses can bit and kick.

Maybe we should give up any form of conveyance and simply walk everywhere....

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Yup... blame everything except the guns. Murica.

Not like getting rid of the guns has worked for every other country that's done it, right?

except that the majority of gun deaths in the US...arent mass shootings and mass shootings arent the most serious public safety issues here. its just the one people are the most scared of because the media plasters that bullshit everywhere.

saying 'just get rid of guns' is a mindless platitude that doesnt actually apply to the US. explain, exactly, how you think youre going to get 300 million guns off the streets in a nation where people love them. thats like saying 'just get rid of drugs'. good idea. what next? just teach people not to rape or kill?

instead, im being realistic. i understand that banning guns...is only going to create a black market for them as many, many guns in the US arent registered and many others wont readily be given up.

...but youre right...just say 'blame guns' and pretend like that's a morally and intellectually sound argument and not a tired platitude.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by GODISNOTGREAT ↗

Are you saying you believe these other countries (like Australia) are any more controlled by their government than is the population of the United States?

Also, there are more people improsoned right now in the United States than ever was in the history of the worlds nations combined. Most of these people incarcerated were incarcerated for non-violent, victimless offenses.

But all is good so long as you labor under the delusion you can imagine overthrowing an already tyrannical government with your AR-15, right?

These weapons are completely useless and serve no purpose other than to inflict mass casualties. If you need to defend your home with a six shooter, go for it. Nobody needs ak-47's, ar-15's and the likes of them.

...except for when they were actually used to make armed feds stand down.



while i dont agree with the actions those people took...it proved that the argument 'youre not going to get the federal government to stand down by having guns' is fake. what is the government going to do in that situation? open fire on civilians...women and children? drone strike their own people on their own land? come on.

also, the US is notoriously poor at fighting against guerrilla tactics. they arent going to fair better just because its a war at home. guns cant 'be used to cause mass casualties' and still be 'ineffective in bringing political change'

[TheVrist]

If US govt. gets too far east, or west, the opposition has a resource to reset balance.


In Europe, among other unarmed nations, when it gets too far east or west, they're just fucked.