[roughneck2096]

the palestinian people brings all that crap on themselves I can,t remember once when Israel started trouble they only protect themselves as it should be

[dan-b]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

Israel took this land from who? Jordan!. Jordan illegally occupied it after 1948. The so called palestinians refused nationhood and opted to leave or help Jordan invade. So the place was occupied by Jordan until 1967 when the islamic nations once again waged war. Israel fought back and took ALL Jerusalem. They took it from Jordan who held it illegally. Check your facts. Israel is there legally. The land is on private property or on Israel land. Check your facts.

You're deliberately skirting the more important issue of the stipulated 1967 borders, recognised by the UN and most of the international community - including President Obama.

[rottenflesh]

Originally Posted by dan-b ↗

Of what relevance is this? This does not excuse the injustices against the Palestinian people.

You mean Arabs. Or prior to 1967, when they had their asses handed to them, Jordanians and Egyptians. Israel made treaties with the losers and received the territories as part of the concessions for cessation of hostilities.


Bonus: Do some research and you will find that the Arabs referred to the Evil Hebrews as Palestinians back in the 1940's.


Double Bonus: Israeli Arabs have more rights than anyone other than Muslim does in any other nation in the Middle East.

[dan-b]

Originally Posted by rottenflesh ↗

You mean Arabs. Or prior to 1967, when they had their asses handed to them, Jordanians and Egyptians. Israel made treaties with the losers and received the territories as part of the concessions for cessation of hostilities.


Bonus: Do some research and you will find that the Arabs referred to the Evil Hebrews as Palestinians back in the 1940's.


Double Bonus: Israeli Arabs have more rights than anyone other than Muslim does in any other nation in the Middle East.

You're just obfuscating with interesting but, nonetheless, meaningless historical fact. The blocking of a Palestinian settlement has been the single most destructive issue of modern times - given the brand of terrorism it has helped spawn.

[Eaton]

Originally Posted by dan-b ↗

obfuscating

Whoa! Don't even think about asking me to play Scrabble with you

[rottenflesh]

Originally Posted by dan-b ↗

You're just obfuscating with interesting but, nonetheless, meaningless historical fact. The blocking of a Palestinian
settlement has been the single most destructive issue of modern times - given the brand of
terrorism it has helped spawn.

Historical fact has relevance. If you base your
position on a lie, then either your ignorant or a
fraud.

Consider the this little history lesson.




At the beginning of the twentieth century, Arabs
rejected the term Palestinian as they
thought it to refer to the Jews. It was plainly seen
when the 1917 Balfour Declaration referred to
"Palestine" as the place for a "national home for
the Jewish People." Arabs were hostile to the
document, stating that there was no such thing as
Palestine except in reference to the southern part
of Greater Syria. Under the British mandate, the
name Palestine was restricted to the land west of
the Jordan river as the British had established the
emirate of TransJordan on its eastern shore.


In 1950, the Emirate of TransJordan annexed the
western Arab inhabited part of western Palestine
and changed its name to the Hashemite kingdom
of Jordan.

The Arab political representation, headed by the
mufti of Jerusalem, wasn't called the "Palestinian
Committee" as you see it today, but actually called
"The Arab Higher Committee."

At the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that
was convened in 1946, Arab Historian Professor
Philip Hitti testified that "There was no such thing
as Palestine in Arab History, absolutely not." He
likewise opposed the use of the name Palestine on
area maps as it was "associated in the mind of the
average American, and perhaps the Englishman
too, with the Jews."


The term Palestinian is not in the
foundational documents related to the Arab-Israeli
conflicts of the 1967 Six-Day War nor the 1973
Yom Kippur War (Security Council Resolutions 242
and 338).






The use of the term Palestinian was just a
politically expedient move by the Arabs, as it was
much easier to play on the sympathies of the
easily duped by claiming to have some sort of
struggle for freedom, than it was for them to start
another war where they would lose. Again.


There was no struggle for your so-called
Palestinian Freedom when the Arabs were under
British Rule, Nor was there some ancient struggle
for so-called Palestinian Freedom when the Turks
ruled in the Previous Centuries.



Making up Videos and Photos of Fake atrocities



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while Butchering Families














and then passing out dessert







in celebration of this murderer




is how a your Arab-Egyptians and Jordanians roll.




Now, you can reiterate how homes being built in
towns somehow terrorizes Arabs into launching,
WW2 area technology, rockets, or blowing up
pizza shops, or blowing up school buses, or
bombing college campuses, or putting explosives
on donkeys, or sniping highways (at least until the
security wall went up) and that it is justified, but
until your Arab fiends stop with the bullshit, don't
expect me to see their point of view and claims of
hardship as anything other than bullshit.




Bonus:


Remember when the evil Israelis left the
greenhouses in Gaza when the Israeli army
forcibly and unilaterally removed all the evil Jews?


American Jewish donors had bought more than
3,000 greenhouses from Israeli settlers in Gaza
for $14 million last month and transferred them to
the Palestinian Authority. Former World Bank
President James Wolfensohn, who brokered the
deal, put up $500,000 of his own cash.


And this was they got in return. From freedom-
loving, peaceful, kind, caring Arabs.

[dan-b]

Don't even try to go down that road. Condoleeza Rice was furious with Israel for what they did in Qana, Lebanon. We can talk atrocities for hours on end. I actually sympathise with the Israelis for the threat they face from Katyusha rocket fire but, the fact is, they're breaking international law as recognised by everyone except America. A settlement needs to be reached and anyone who doesn't agree with that principle, I think, is suspect.

[dan-b]

Plus, the unforgivable mistake you made in your post was assuming all Gazans support Hamas. That's like assuming all Israelis support the illegal settlements in the West Bank, or all Americans supported the second Iraq war.

[Geemonster]

Originally Posted by mirrormere ↗

LOL...How is it illegal in their own country?

Fucking dumbarse it's Palestinian territory.

[niknik]

a statement to the General Assembly on 15 October 1968, the PLO rejected Resolution 242, saying "the implementation of said resolution will lead to the loss of every hope for the establishment of peace and security in Palestine and the Middle East region." In September 1993, the PLO agreed that Resolutions 242 and 338 should be the basis for negotiations with Israel when it signed the Declaration of Principles.
The plo, which is one of the main political, terrorist, oppressor organizations in Palistine took 25 years to agree to the 67 borders you seem to give so much importance too. Your sounding foolish to me dan, I enjoy most of your threads and opinions. But its not Israel that has stopped the peace talks, nor was it Israel who broken cease fire after cease fire. You seem to intelligent to fall for so much of the propaganda that the palistinian leadership has promoted. But yet, here you are talking about this like you don't agree with a countries right to defend itself. Like the 67 borders never existed, but they did, and why are they no longer there? Did you read my previous posts? It explains why Israel doesn't adhere to the UN 67 borders. I personally have zero respect for the UN. After all the UN mandated at one time that zionism was racism. Then later retracted it. My opinion as well as many other nations agree, the UN does not make nor have any rights to make international laws. So I don't believe Israel is breaking a international law, so therefore Israel is doing nothing wrong.