Kobe Bryant Dies in Helicopter Crash

[Dusti_]

Originally Posted by Dr Thrumpkinz

Relax everyone!
There are very few helicopter in existence that could fit all cows on Earth into them, so we'll still have access to our precious beef.
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that's not beef, that's a big square of fat!!!

[RealityUnfolding]

Originally Posted by Morbid75

No, they will not make it on here. At least not any time soon. It will probably take years. If someone has them and tried to upload them I do not know Chris would even allow them to be posted as this is still considered an ‘open crime scene’ as to what caused the crash. I imagine toxicology of pilot was taken and is not back yet or maybe has been and there is nothing but NTSB is still investigating. They know how they died but not exactly how the situation got them to where they died. The CA law is below. Plus the amount of negative publicity it would bring his site would likely be more than the minority of morbid curiosity seekers. So you will likely see them in years to come once this has been old, old, old news.

California

(Code of Civil Procedure § 129)

The law bars the copying of photographs taken for the coroner at the death scene. They are available for use only in a criminal action or proceeding that relates to the deceased, or as a court permits.

Legally, it's a bit murky. You aren't wrong on the coroner/investigation photos, but the photos being shared were those on the crime scene, taking personal photos with their personal phones. Because the crash happened in a public space, legally speaking, nothing prevents a person from disseminating them because they are "personal photographs" of a crime witnessed and in view of the public. (I.E. Not a hospital or coroner setting.)

The murky comes in that it is a public space, the photos were of private capture but their access to the crime scene itself is what made it possible. As yet, only a handful of states vaguely state it "might" be wrong/illegal to take photos within a public crime scene ("might" defining exclusions for a host of inexplicable reasons). Most states haven't really caught up with smart devices for almost any crime. And right to privacy is considered a "living" right - so... once you are dead, you - or in this case, your NOK - actually no longer have claim to privacy for you in a public setting. (Due Process is for the official photographs.) Jersey and Connecticut, for example, specifically outlines a first responder who has been dispatched is forbidden from posting. So a curious cop or firefighter who comes on scene is isn't dispatched is (technically) free to photograph.

In some other cases, if the person taking the photos is a cop, but is outside the crime scene barriers (where any member of the public could stand at that moment) then... who knows? Mark Musarella - an EMT - got community service for posting crime scene photos of a victim under New York law, charged as misdemeanor official conduct, but he was in the victim's face, had access to the victim of an active crime because of his job and posted them at the time of the crime. (Granted, the price tag on said Kobe photos would probably make such a charge worth it, pay for college, career change, non-violent misdemeanor on a background, meh...)

As for Chris, in theory, he's under no specific obligation to prevent them unless there is an active investigation into victim/perpetrator, such as identifying information which isn't public and even that is extremely limited in what would violate any laws - and it's rough to deal with because of the state where a photo might be taken, where the owner resides, where payments go to and/or where the host is. (AFAIK, all test cases that challenged C&Ds third party posting/hosting have failed at either the first attempt to charge or on appeal and have been dropped after that.) At this point, nothing about the crash details isn't public, the pilot (perpetrator) is dead, as are all victims who could give corroborating details about a crime scene to match evidence to experience.

There's also another bar for minors - which, of course, a few victims were. Depending on the state of their bodies, visible skin/body parts, there's a whole host of OTHER issues presented for them and obviously, given impact and fire, there is a big risk that even unknowingly, off-limits parts could be exposed.

All that said, you can bet Bryant's family has no problems using VERY deep pockets that could bury Chris in paperwork for weeks/months or even years. The question isn't really technicalities but whether it's worth the risk - a risk that, even if Chris were in the right, emotional/sympathetic judges and/or juries could and likely would rule against him. (See: Dale Earnhardt crash/autopsy photos, in which FOIAs were ignored, a law was placed, then pushed retroactively - which, on it's face, is actually illegal to do to prevent corruption of laws.) And of course, the bigger implication in which knee-jerk reactions so soon after the event could spring new laws which really WOULD put a lot of media, new and old, on this site under threat.

[SwooshEC]

I understand, but I’d love to see these photos! If they get submitted maybe they are locked for members only? That may help keep it a little more under wraps. Just spitballing here. I’ve been coming back to the site everyday to see if someone has gotten them up. Here’s hoping!

Originally Posted by RealityUnfolding

Legally, it's a bit murky. You aren't wrong on the coroner/investigation photos, but the photos being shared were those on the crime scene, taking personal photos with their personal phones. Because the crash happened in a public space, legally speaking, nothing prevents a person from disseminating them because they are "personal photographs" of a crime witnessed and in view of the public. (I.E. Not a hospital or coroner setting.)

The murky comes in that it is a public space, the photos were of private capture but their access to the crime scene itself is what made it possible. As yet, only a handful of states vaguely state it "might" be wrong/illegal to take photos within a public crime scene ("might" defining exclusions for a host of inexplicable reasons). Most states haven't really caught up with smart devices for almost any crime. And right to privacy is considered a "living" right - so... once you are dead, you - or in this case, your NOK - actually no longer have claim to privacy for you in a public setting. (Due Process is for the official photographs.) Jersey and Connecticut, for example, specifically outlines a first responder who has been dispatched is forbidden from posting. So a curious cop or firefighter who comes on scene is isn't dispatched is (technically) free to photograph.

In some other cases, if the person taking the photos is a cop, but is outside the crime scene barriers (where any member of the public could stand at that moment) then... who knows? Mark Musarella - an EMT - got community service for posting crime scene photos of a victim under New York law, charged as misdemeanor official conduct, but he was in the victim's face, had access to the victim of an active crime because of his job and posted them at the time of the crime. (Granted, the price tag on said Kobe photos would probably make such a charge worth it, pay for college, career change, non-violent misdemeanor on a background, meh...)

As for Chris, in theory, he's under no specific obligation to prevent them unless there is an active investigation into victim/perpetrator, such as identifying information which isn't public and even that is extremely limited in what would violate any laws - and it's rough to deal with because of the state where a photo might be taken, where the owner resides, where payments go to and/or where the host is. (AFAIK, all test cases that challenged C&Ds third party posting/hosting have failed at either the first attempt to charge or on appeal and have been dropped after that.) At this point, nothing about the crash details isn't public, the pilot (perpetrator) is dead, as are all victims who could give corroborating details about a crime scene to match evidence to experience.

There's also another bar for minors - which, of course, a few victims were. Depending on the state of their bodies, visible skin/body parts, there's a whole host of OTHER issues presented for them and obviously, given impact and fire, there is a big risk that even unknowingly, off-limits parts could be exposed.

All that said, you can bet Bryant's family has no problems using VERY deep pockets that could bury Chris in paperwork for weeks/months or even years. The question isn't really technicalities but whether it's worth the risk - a risk that, even if Chris were in the right, emotional/sympathetic judges and/or juries could and likely would rule against him. (See: Dale Earnhardt crash/autopsy photos, in which FOIAs were ignored, a law was placed, then pushed retroactively - which, on it's face, is actually illegal to do to prevent corruption of laws.) And of course, the bigger implication in which knee-jerk reactions so soon after the event could spring new laws which really WOULD put a lot of media, new and old, on this site under threat.

[crice63]

Originally Posted by TheFallOfTroyML

Leaked only inside the department afaik

that's not acceptable!!! I have respect and sorrow for everyone else who died in that crash "but him". bring on the photos of him!!!

[Ashinspecky]

I'm pretty sure he's the one visible behind/further up the hill from the main wreckage in the news footage and pics from the initial coverage of the crash. he's surrounded by what appear to be tan seat cushions (matching the interior shots of the helicopter) and in some of the footage the firefighters seem to be paying special attention to that particular charred body. It seems that three bodies were thrown clear of the main fuselage - this one, a smaller burned body closer to the main wreckage, and another once that was thrown onto other side of the hill that seems to have escaped the fire. Remember, he was was one of the first three identified; These were apparently the three that were identified initially with fingerprints, while the rest were in the smoldering main fuselage and were likely nearly cremated by the sustained fire.

[hubsdrunk]

You can see one of the bodies before they put the sheet over it. Victim looks to be in the fetal position with their head at the top. It's hard to tell for sure though. Unfortunately everybody got the Paul Walker treatment.

[frenzy4u]

I could not tell exactly if that is a body but if so it's amazing how anything could survive that without being turned into minced meat. R.I.P. to all their Souls.

[Feistypeat26]

Perhaps i’m blind, but are we looking at the black charred mass by the beige debris and brush?

[ellysuax3]

I can’t make out shit

[cardsharksam]

can't see nothing