[CrunchyCripple]

It does enter the realm of murder.
Bringing in a highly addictive and deadly substance to sell indiscriminately? That's destroying many lives. Not just the people choosing to take the drugs, but the people in the addict's life, too.

Drug trafficking is usually highly destructive and poisonous to many, many more people than all serial killers victims combined.

[Covered up]

I believe all drugs should be legal. Take the crime out of it. It's the only way.

[Watertorque]

Originally Posted by CrunchyCripple ↗

It does enter the realm of murder.
Bringing in a highly addictive and deadly substance to sell indiscriminately? That's destroying many lives. Not just the people choosing to take the drugs, but the people in the addict's life, too.

Drug trafficking is usually highly destructive and poisonous to many, many more people than all serial killers victims combined.

Of course some drugs kill...but it's a lifestyle choice.
Alcohol and tobacco are by far the biggest killers...and it's legal because the government can tax it.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Watertorque ↗

Of course some drugs kill...but it's a lifestyle choice.
Alcohol and tobacco are by far the biggest killers...and it's legal because the government can tax it.

Peddling drugs is also a lifestyle choice, they made that decision and they paid the price...case closed.

[Watertorque]

Originally Posted by Top Gear ↗

Peddling drugs is also a lifestyle choice, they made that decision and they paid the price...case closed.

Well what I'm trying to get at is under the said International Civil & Political Rights treaty signed by Indonesia, what constitutes a "very serious crime" differs very much from country to country and allows for a legal loophole in this case, which was ignored by Indonesian authorities. And as mentioned before, the drug traffickers were caught as a result from a tipoff by the AFP, that originally came from a concerned parent of one of the Bali Nine.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Watertorque ↗

Of course some drugs kill...but it's a lifestyle choice.
Alcohol and tobacco are by far the biggest killers...and it's legal because the government can tax it.

I agree with the hypocrisy you're pointing out, but the problem with hard drugs is there comes a point where it's no longer a choice for the user

I'd like to see some other form of enforcement, rather than just hand it over to the cartels, but I have no sympathy for people that get caught selling hard drugs either

[Watertorque]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

I agree with the hypocrisy you're pointing out, but the problem with hard drugs is there comes a point where it's no longer a choice for the user

I'd like to see some other form of enforcement, rather than just hand it over to the cartels, but I have no sympathy for people that get caught selling hard drugs either

I'm not into drug traffickers at all, but given their age at the time and then 10 years of rehabilitation in prison, should've counted for something at least. Why give them hope and a chance to make change, to only execute them a decade later!?

Total bureaucratic bullshit if you ask me. Money is always the agenda is cases like this, and everyone wants a slice of the pie.

Here's the latest polli-crap...let me know what you think: http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/...nine-backflip/

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Watertorque ↗

I'm not into drug traffickers at all, but given their age at the time and then 10 years of rehabilitation in prison, should've counted for something at least. Why give them hope and a chance to make change, to only execute them a decade later!?

Total bureaucratic bullshit if you ask me. Money is always the agenda is cases like this, and everyone wants a slice of the pie.

Here's the latest polli-crap...let me know what you think: http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/...nine-backflip/

I don't know what the motivation is in Indonesia for severe sentencing, seems a lot of places like that have a zero tolerance attitude.

In America it seems that it became a right wing, get tough on crime political agenda, and even though it's been proven to be a disaster ( prohibition in all it's forms ) they are still doubling down
There's the whole issue of privatization of the prison systems too.

Canada takes a more rehabilitation based approach.
Most drug crimes are treated a lot more leniently, I think the maximum for cannabis crime is 15 years, and with parole you'd be out in 1/3 of that approximately..... And that would be an extreme case.
Until recently cultivation was sometimes not even prosecuted, and even now possession is hardly ever prosecuted...... Stores are popping up selling weed openly, even though it's still illegal.... And the police are not enforcing it.

[Watertorque]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

I don't know what the motivation is in Indonesia for severe sentencing, seems a lot of places like that have a zero tolerance attitude.

In America it seems that it became a right wing, get tough on crime political agenda, and even though it's been proven to be a disaster ( prohibition in all it's forms ) they are still doubling down
There's the whole issue of privatization of the prison systems too.

Canada takes a more rehabilitation based approach.
Most drug crimes are treated a lot more leniently, I think the maximum for cannabis crime is 15 years, and with parole you'd be out in 1/3 of that approximately..... And that would be an extreme case.
Until recently cultivation was sometimes not even prosecuted, and even now possession is hardly ever prosecuted...... Stores are popping up selling weed openly, even though it's still illegal.... And the police are not enforcing it.

Indonesia is one of the most populated countries in the world. For that reason I reckon these harsh sentences exist...to lessen the load. And also a lengthy court case always brings in the dosh$$$...it's as simple as that.

Years ago I did business in Indonesia. I asked the locals when I arrived, if there were any dodgy places or people that I should be mindful of. They told me that the police were the only people whom I should avoid at all costs...on account of all the corruption. You could be minding your own business and bump into them walking down the street...next minute you are been charged with possession of an illicit drug that you never had and paying the costs.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Watertorque ↗

Well what I'm trying to get at is under the said International Civil & Political Rights treaty signed by Indonesia, what constitutes a "very serious crime" differs very much from country to country and allows for a legal loophole in this case, which was ignored by Indonesian authorities. And as mentioned before, the drug traffickers were caught as a result from a tipoff by the AFP, that originally came from a concerned parent of one of the Bali Nine.

This is the last comment I am going to make on this as it's just going around in circles.
It's their country so they have to accept it, 10 years means nothing as they should have been grateful to have been kept alive for so long.
China used too or maybe still do execute people within an hour of sentencing to harvest their organs.
I have zero sympathy, not now not ever. If you fuck with the bull....yes you know the rest.

We will have to agree we don't see eye to eye on this and never will.