[rob666]

Originally Posted by ChockFullOfChock ↗

Good luck to Israel! It's basically an apartheid state with a vicious army.

And no, Israel has never made any serious attempt at peace. They don't do the whole 'compromise' kind of thing.

I agree, Israel will NEVER compromise anything regarding the ownership of Jerusalem, and that is a huge sticking point.
Jerusalem must be an International city that nobodys owns, nothing else can work.

[taner27]

israeli propaganda
fucking zionists

[niknik]

Originally Posted by ChockFullOfChock ↗

Good luck to Israel! It's basically an apartheid state with a vicious army.

And no, Israel has never made any serious attempt at peace. They don't do the whole 'compromise' kind of thing.

That's weird, since Israel only seems to respond to attacks on them. To blame palistians plight on Israel is crazy, palistine is in no worse shape than most Muslim nations. Israel works extremely hard to keep stability in the middle east, as well as to use restraint. They don't blindly fire into cities nor target the civilian population. Both sides have acted with regretable outcomes, but either side pointing to past wrongs or rights only keeps the this going on like it has.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

I agree, Israel will NEVER compromise anything regarding the ownership of Jerusalem, and that is a huge sticking point.
Jerusalem must be an International city that nobodys owns, nothing else can work.

Israel needs too? What about the muslims? They are the ones who only want it to be a muslim land. Israel has freedom of religion, Muslims don't believe in that freedom. In Israel there are churches and mosques as well as jewish temples. How many churches in palistine? 0.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

Your absolutely right, and Israel has the right to defend itself.
But strategically, that land being occupied has no value other than for expansionism, mainly being pushed by Zionists with religious motivations.
I totally get that Israel should kick the shit out of anybody that attacks it, but at the same time these little strips of land that Israel has no right to is propaganda gold for anti-semites.
IMHO Israel should GTFO occupied land, that WE pay to defend with aid money, then Israels enemys have no excuse whatsoever for doing anything aggressive.
I mean, if we still occupied Japan or Germany, and we were bulldozing their homes to build ours, we'd be having problems too instead of what we have now, which is good relations.

So if Israel pulled out of the land you want them to, the land strategically taken due to its capability of rocket use that can reach Israel's highly populated areas. If they pulled out and some days or months later Hamas fire rockets from that land, then do you change your opinion?
I agree if it brings peace it should be done, but Israel has given territory back before and they were attacked from the very land.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

So if Israel pulled out of the land you want them to, the land strategically taken due to its capability of rocket use that can reach Israel's highly populated areas. If they pulled out and some days or months later Hamas fire rockets from that land, then do you change your opinion?
I agree if it brings peace it should be done, but Israel has given territory back before and they were attacked from the very land.

They are being attacked with rockets anyway, the Palestinians don't need it to fire rockets.
Its not being occupied for strategic military reasons, lets be clear on that. If that was the case Israel wouldn't be building homes for civilians on it.

The only anaolgy I can give is what would have happened if we still occupied Germany or Japan, and started tearing down their homes and building our own? Probably the same result israel is dealing with right now.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

Israel needs too? What about the muslims? They are the ones who only want it to be a muslim land. Israel has freedom of religion, Muslims don't believe in that freedom. In Israel there are churches and mosques as well as jewish temples. How many churches in palistine? 0.

Like I said, international city..... Jerusalem is the center for Christians, Jews and Muslims.
Nobody should have sole ownership.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

That's weird, since Israel only seems to respond to attacks on them. To blame palistians plight on Israel is crazy, palistine is in no worse shape than most Muslim nations. Israel works extremely hard to keep stability in the middle east, as well as to use restraint. They don't blindly fire into cities nor target the civilian population. Both sides have acted with regretable outcomes, but either side pointing to past wrongs or rights only keeps the this going on like it has.

I would dispute that the Palestinians are better off than most. So would a lot of Human rights groups.... They have no homeland, no rights, and are basically under apartheid.

I don't see why Israel is entitled to a homeland and the Palestinians are not. Historically what is now Israel has been inhabited by both. In any case theres never going to be any peace as long as Israel keeps expanding illegally....... and we keep on paying for it, financially and otherwise.
The reason we keep on getting attacked by terrorists from the middle east is our support of israel. We're not getting attacked by iceland or africans, or anywhere else.......

[niknik]

I didn't say they were better off, I said there no worse off. And palistinians have only there beliefs, leaders, and religion to blame for there plight of no sovereign nation of there own. Choices they have made, mainly taking up arms against Israel instead of working to build a nation. And we left Germany and Japan because they surrendered and signed peace agreements. Palistine has not surrendered or signed a peace agreement. In fact just the opposite, they state publicly that they will destroy Israel. And the land taken is strategic rocket launching space. Why do you think Jerusalem wasn't hit for 7 years, because Israel controls areas that Hamas would use to hit it.

[The Spoon]

Didn't even watch more than a minute of that. No fucking way am I gonna feel bad for a few Israelis that died in random attacks when they bomb the fuck out of Gaza and the West Bank like it's going out of style.