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08-02-2014, 01:07 PM
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| My Rank: GUNNERY SERGEANT Poster Rank:697 Male Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,219 Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Quoted: 257 Post(s)
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Re: Rapist Taking His Own Medicine
Yeah, I read what I wrote. Obviously you didn't. The fact is advocating vengeance on someone is advocating harm on someone, just as it is with rape. You're simply stating the reasons are different. OK...That's my point. Thanks for stating it again for me. My "backwards logic" is actually just logic. I don't advocate the harming of anyone when they've already been removed from society. Just because you may have an emotional disposition that suspends your critical thinking skills doesn't mean there are no answers. There are many answers which are long and complex, but there is also a need for people to realise the indoctrinated behavioural patterns they've come to accept as "simply the way it is" in order for those answers to be sought in the first place. If you think it's conjecture to say environment influences behaviour and that free will hasn't been shown to even exist, then I would like to hear your reasoning why. |
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08-02-2014, 01:22 PM
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| My Rank: GUNNERY SERGEANT Poster Rank:697 Male Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,219 Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Quoted: 257 Post(s)
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Re: Rapist Taking His Own Medicine
No, that's not what I said. I'm saying we should hold people accountable for their actions, but we shouldn't blame and punish them for situations that led to that behaviour which were beyond their control - the country they were born in, the culture, society, sub-culture, parents, social relations, media influences, socio-economic pressures etc. We don't blame a shark for being a shark, but if there is one in your swimming pool it's best to take notice of it. Depending on what kind of social system and other environmental influences you experience will play a key role in determining your abhorrent behaviours. Would a system that lets people who commit acts of violence gain advantage see more people commit acts of violence? Sure. But when we look at countries where the justice system is more lenient or more geared towards rehabilitation rather than punishment we also see a decrease in crime rates. If retribution was a deciding factor then I don't see how this could be the case. A key example might be the death sentence states in USA. Those states that carry out the death sentence actually have HIGHER murder rates than those who do not. I aware that punishments can be effective but from what I understand for the punishment to be most effective it has to be carried out as close to the abhorrent behaviour as possible. Seeking "justice" can mean completely different things for different people. Meeting suffering with suffering is bankrupt in my opinion. How would I do things differently? Change the environment to change the behaviour. Not having such a competitive market system where everyone has to compete for monetary gain and social status. I could go on but I only want to demonstrate the current failings in the way things are looked at currently. |