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05-25-2014, 07:34 PM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
So, other than not having a ghetto booty girlfriend, cause, let's face it, that's critical. You're now not happy that the local police shot the guy four times. This would be the same guy that was wagging his weinny at the neighborhood, breaking into homes, running drunkenly down the street, choking dogs, and threatening police and anyone else that was around with a set of two foot long garden shears. Because that third and fourth bullet were just way over the top and were certainly the work of a clearly racist, out of control cop, Hell bent on roaming Latino neighborhoods shooting willy-nilly at innocent civilians. Your current opinion would be basted on what...your long standing career in law enforcement? No? Oh, well then, perhaps your experience with being involved in multiple shootouts in urban settings? No? Then it must be your prior experience with investigating hundreds of use of force and deadly force incidents then? No? Well, what exactly is it that compels your opinion that only two shots were sufficient in this case? I'm just interested in how everyone becomes an expert in something that they know nothing about other than what they've seen on television or in the movies. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but try to educate yourself before you just throw something out there that makes emotional presumptions and a political agenda. |
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05-25-2014, 10:46 PM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
Watching this video, and seeing "racism", is racist.
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05-25-2014, 11:36 PM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
Yup...it reminds me of the old adage, "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Nobody ever wants to look at their own community and wonder why there are so many crimes occurring that seem to require police to use deadly force and why the predominant criminal is statistically a Latino. Let's just all fall back to the good old, "The police are racist thugs...bla bla bla, wa wa wa", that's always an easier battle cry for the unwashed masses to grasp onto and avoid a more critical look into the problem. By the way, for those unfamiliar with California, the City of Salinas is kinda crap hole and always has been...high crime, high gang activity area. |
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05-26-2014, 12:22 AM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
And apparently she will not be given a spelling test.
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05-26-2014, 12:34 AM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
Cops are in the wrong because he was walking away from them not towards them. This constitutes using non-lethal measures like pepper spray or tazers. I support officers but in this case that person did not need to die even though he was not complying. Those cops need to lose their jobs. Shooting someone should be a very last measure.
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05-26-2014, 12:39 AM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
Have you not read the other posts? The police already said he had committed a number of felonies prior to officers arriving on scene. He was carrying two foot long garden shears and refused repeatedly to put them down. Officers used a Taser to no effect. At the end you can see him turn toward officers with the shears in hand. Christ didn't you look at anything? Or is this just one more emotional uninformed preexisting political agenda? Go back and read the various posts and watch the videos.
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05-26-2014, 12:50 AM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
So in your expert opinion, you're saying the police can't shoot someone that isn't facing them? And again in your expert opinion, this situation "constitutes the need for non-lethal measures like pepper spray and Tasers". Really? Well pepper spray and Tasers are considered "less lethal" weapons, because they can kill if not used correctly. There are no laws or uniform polices constituting the use of less lethal measures. If officers can use them, they're handy, and there is no threat to others, then use them. In this case, the bad guy failed to comply with officers, ran away, was armed with a deadly weapon (that he was brandishing). If those officers felt the idiot posed a threat to them or others, then deadly force is completely acceptable and lawful. No spout if you don't know what you're talking about. Do your research. |
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05-26-2014, 01:15 AM
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Re: Racist Police Kill the 3rd Hispanic For Just Ignoring Them
I am anything but an expert in the field of law enforcement training, namely training involving the deployment of deadly force. From a couple of self-defense manuals I have read however, one thing seems pretty consistent: When the decision has been made to deploy deadly force, the attacker must be nuetralized to the point that he/she is no longer physically capable of being a threat to you or anyone else. I can only surmise that the same principle applies to law enforcement. 4 shots may seem excessive, but there have been situations where an attacker has been shot many more times, and was still either firing back or still wielding a weapon of some sort. There are too many factors to explain why that happens in some cases and not others. My point isn't to condone or condemn how the cops handled this particular situation, but to explain why more than one or two shots were fired from a purely tactical standpoint. I don't have enough information about this case to formulate my opinions one way or the other and I abandoned all hope of ever obtaining objective reporting to explain a case like this without the sociopolitical biases and sensationailsm that almost always obscure the facts. If he was on the ground and immobile, but the cops were still unloading clips of ammunition, then that would be unnecessary. If he was still a potential threat in a standing position or lunging at them with his weapon, then I surmise they did what they were trained to do. No matter what though, what happened here was unfortunate. These cops have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives all the while being chastised by the media and the community they are supposed to (with huge emphasis on "supposed to") protect as being racists. I wouldn't want to wear their shoes right now. It is also unfortunate not only for that guy, but his loved ones, and the hispanic community as well. News like this never bodes well for the morale of any community, especially one already struggling with socioeconomic hardship. It's bad enough when your own people are killing each other, it's far worse when your only means of legal protection are doing the same thing, irrespective of whether or not it was justifiable. It is also unfortunate that the media almost always defaults to farting out the race card over and over again in matters such as these, further inflaming a deep distrust between their community and law enforcement, and creating unnecessary distractions that mitigate and undermine efforts being made to directly deal with the most impactful issues affecting the community. What really bugs me about all of this is just how effectual has playing the race card been towards addressing these needs and amending strained race relations? What if the cops were hispanic or black? Would that have made their actions any more or less justifiable? Would this have become a media frenzy in such a scenario? If anyone can convince me that playing the race card has had a positive impact on race relations or has had a positive impact in whatever community their from, then I must have missed the point somewhere. |
