[lutherieguy]

a lot of fucking retards in here too lazy to even read the wikipedia version of history.. Read a few books ffs. I have a degree in History (and Engl Lit) but you don't need that. You just need to read more than one shitty communist blog or CNN that gives a one sided account of the facts. Are the Israelis the most polite country? Obviously not, but not surprising considering the constant assaults by their not so fucking peace loving neighbours who have turned down every negotiated agreement since the country's birth! The Muslim countries chose war instead of peace and had their asses handed to them even with GREAT odds in their favour. Egypt Iraq Syria Lebanon Saudi Arabia Yemen, Jordan..... They fought and lost! If you lose you lose, and often that includes territory! This is why you should choose diplomacy. But you fucking communist children who dropped out of high school just keep on believing what CNN tells you :) It is not like there isn't actual facts available for you to search out. Find a relatively unbiased source like liberal Israelis or Jews, or the very rare progressive and pragmatic Palestinian who doesn't just say 'death to Israel!' or whatever. The irony of this SJW pro-Palestinian generation of supporting a group of people who oppress women and throw gays off the roof should just about say it all you moronic, hypocritical dipshits! :x yxthumbs:

[lutherieguy]

the REAL problem is religion. Two groups of fanatics are the ones most responsible. Whether Christian, Muslim, or Jew, it is the fanatics among them that are the central problem. The problem in Muslim countries is that they mostly are theocratic dictatorships like Iran where moderates hold little if any power and if any other religions are allowed at all they are treated poorly by the state, as are women, gays, atheists, etc. Some countries like Jordan and Egypt (mostly) have made it to this century, but Iran (since 1979) is living 200 years in the past as is Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey (slowly became Islamist shithole since Recep Tayyip Erdoğan came to power and influence around 2003). By contrast, Israel has a much smaller group of kooks with the 'ultra-orthodox' types and their ridiculous religious fantasies. ALSO, in Israel you are FREE to be religious or an atheist, you are free to be gay, you are free as a woman to go wherever you want unaccompanied and date or marry who you wish. There are no Israelis killing their children (girls!) over 'honour'. etc.. Where would you want to live? The Arab Muslims living in Israel LOVE living there despite what they may publicly say to save their lives, and haven't moved in protest or fear, so what does that say? Do Christians and Jews in the West Bank or Gaza get a say in the terrorist government of HAMAS like the Arab Muslims can participate in Israeli politics? I don't think so!!! I wish peace on all people but even God only helps those who help themselves.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by AnaleFaust ↗

All this bloodshed because jews refuse to give back the land they stole

Fuck you, the Palestinians have no regard for human life, and resort to terrorism to accomplish their objectives.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Shocker314 ↗

Well, let’s be clear. “America’s gift”? It was the UN, with significant British push/support that gave the world the “Partition Plan for Palestine” in 1947. In 1948 Israel shed the British Mandate when they declared their independence. The terrorism and fighting had been ongoing long before that actually, with a lot of it directed at the British.

To be even more clear. Before the UN, Jews were already moving to the territory.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by lutherieguy ↗

a lot of fucking retards in here too lazy to even read the wikipedia version of history.. Read a few books ffs. I have a degree in History (and Engl Lit) but you don't need that. You just need to read more than one shitty communist blog or CNN that gives a one sided account of the facts. Are the Israelis the most polite country? Obviously not, but not surprising considering the constant assaults by their not so fucking peace loving neighbours who have turned down every negotiated agreement since the country's birth! The Muslim countries chose war instead of peace and had their asses handed to them even with GREAT odds in their favour. Egypt Iraq Syria Lebanon Saudi Arabia Yemen, Jordan..... They fought and lost! If you lose you lose, and often that includes territory! This is why you should choose diplomacy. But you fucking communist children who dropped out of high school just keep on believing what CNN tells you :) It is not like there isn't actual facts available for you to search out. Find a relatively unbiased source like liberal Israelis or Jews, or the very rare progressive and pragmatic Palestinian who doesn't just say 'death to Israel!' or whatever. The irony of this SJW pro-Palestinian generation of supporting a group of people who oppress women and throw gays off the roof should just about say it all you moronic, hypocritical dipshits! :x yxthumbs:

Good post. Seems simple. And your post is just 1 of several events in the history of this land that makes Israel not occupied territory, but rightfully Jewish homeland.

I explained alot of that in some other thread. To people who are incapable of reading and studying the history, yet still want to offer convoluted opinions.

Not only did Israel fight all surrounding nations for the land. Land all of them would have fought eachother for afterwards. But look at a fucking map. Look at all the land in that region that belongs to Muslims, to Muslim friendly nations. Land not friendly to Jewish people.

Then look at Israel. A teeny tiny little sliver of land. Like 1/1000th of what Islam considers their land. But to make it their land, they had to knock down all the Jewish stuff.

[Icybluegrrl]

Originally Posted by AnaleFaust ↗

All this bloodshed because jews refuse to give back the land they stole

Stole from who? The British? The people that owned it?
The British, the owners of Israel, made their intentions known that they wanted the state of Israel, by signing the “Belfour Doctrine” of 1917.
Palestine didn’t exist before 1948.

How about Israel conquering land in the 6 day war?

I’m sure empirical information won’t slow you down too much as I can see you don’t even understand the difference between Israel, Jews, Zionism, and Israel imperialism.

Maybe Jews should go to mecca and build right over Kaaba, just as muslims built and bulldozed over the Jewish Temple Mount.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Icybluegrrl ↗

Stole from who? The British? The people that owned it?
The British, the owners of Israel, made their intentions known that they wanted the state of Israel, by signing the “Belfour Doctrine” of 1917.
Palestine didn’t exist before 1948.

How about Israel conquering land in the 6 day war?

I’m sure empirical information won’t slow you down too much as I can see you don’t even understand the difference between Israel, Jews, Zionism, and Israel imperialism.

Maybe Jews should go to mecca and build right over Kaaba, just as muslims built and bulldozed over the Jewish Temple Mount.

Palestine has never really existed. When Rome made Israel part of its empire, and took thousands of Jews back to Rome to build their capital. The Jews eventually revolted, pissing of the Emperor. Who in turn changed the name of Israel to Palestine, to insult the Jews.

This happened nearly 700 years before Islam was invented and became a cancer on the entire region.