[mileslong]

Originally Posted by TheUrinator ↗

Well said.

I am appalled at George Floyd’s death at the hands of the police. But honestly I am not convinced that it had anything to do with race. I have seen whites and every other race unjustly abused by bad cops. And do not ever give the cops a free pass when I see them fuck up. That cop deserves to be punished harshly. Very harshly.

Cops SHOULD be held to a higher standard. That being said, the cops in Atlanta did nothing wrong in my opinion. If it had been a white guy, I still think it would be a justified shooting.

I also believe BLM hurts their cause by playing the race card in justified shootings. They hurt their cause by not addressing the rioting especially in other towns, causing violence against people who had nothing to do with the issue at hand. I seriously don’t believe they are reducing racism whatsoever. They are increasing racism by rioting and making fools of themselves.

Gettin in bed with Antifa is a whole other kind of stupid. Antifa will destroy any credibility they have or ever will have.

Agreed on every point.

Could you imagine the shit fire that would be stoked if Kelly Thomas was black? It was barely even in the news.

https://www.documentingreality.com/f...n-death-84329/

[Eward]

The victim was in his mid 30s.. gang name was PBG Black... he was a Gangster Diciple...

[William May]

Originally Posted by sojalemmi ↗

bro, your 2 "huge" examples are from 150 years ago after the civil war and 75 years ago after WWII. society has come a long way since then, and anyway, can you point to any other country in the world that was less racist than the USA back then? the USA was and almost always has been ahead of the curve in terms of race relations. We helped abolish slavery in the west. don't fall for the BS, the USA is not a racist country.

Seriously?
The U.S. has always been ahead of the curve in race relations? In regards to who?
England freed all their slaves WORLDWIDE, in 1833.
The U.S. was one of the LAST countries to end slavery.

So you think everything is fine, and no changes are needed?
Affirmative Action resulted from the Supreme Court determining there were "egregious and long-term deliberate efforts to supress blacks" and that "remedial action was warranted and necessary"
This means that, because of the way whites acted, blacks werre OWED a correction in policies.
If you hate Affirmative Action, don't blame the blacks. Blame the whites who screwed the blacks at every opportunity.
If everyone HAD been treated justly, there would never have been an affirmative action case to begin with. So where does this fault lie?
I assume because you dismiss the actions as far as land distribution, and the G.I. Bill, that you think these were just fine.
The test is, if it had been done to YOU, would it be OK?
I'm willing to bet, the answer would be NO.

[navajojoe]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

Everything for nothing, hey?
Are you aware that when the American west was opened for settlement after the civil war, anyone could just ride out and stake a claim to property, and get it from the government, for free?
EXCEPT FOR BLACKS. They were excluded.

Are you aware that when the GI's came home from WWII, they were eligible for the GI Bill, to get their college educations, paid for by the government, at not cost to them?
EXCEPT FOR BLACKS. They were excluded. So the same black guys that risked their lives to bring supplies to the front lines, for my dad to fight with, didn't get any of that.
Do either of those things seem fair to you?
That is just 2 HUGE examples. There are thousands more, where if you were white, you were set, and if you were black, you got nothing.
Justice for everyone hurts no one.

Like you know anything. Try being American Indian and then we can talk racism. Whites have treated me better than my own! I stand with them!!!

[William May]

Originally Posted by navajojoe ↗

Like you know anything. Try being American Indian and then we can talk racism. Whites have treated me better than my own! I stand with them!!!

OK. So, let's NOT try and make anything better. Let's NOT bother improving things.
Things will either get better, or get worse. Which side are you on?
Why don't you stand with the whites who are trying to end the effects of racism? Wouldn't that be a good idea?
Justice for EVERYONE hurts NO ONE!

[soja]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

OK. So, let's NOT try and make anything better. Let's NOT bother improving things.
Things will either get better, or get worse. Which side are you on?
Why don't you stand with the whites who are trying to end the effects of racism? Wouldn't that be a good idea?
Justice for EVERYONE hurts NO ONE!

yeah, we want things to get better. everybody wants things to get better. don't think your are one of the few enlightened ones and the rest of us are all unrepentant racists.

Our point is that burning down your city and tearing the country apart because you are too stupid to realize there is nobody actually fighting against you or oppressing you is not going to make anything better.

look around you and wake up before it is too late... probably already is.

[William May]

Originally Posted by sojalemmi ↗

yeah, we want things to get better. everybody wants things to get better. don't think your are one of the few enlightened ones and the rest of us are all unrepentant racists.

Our point is that burning down your city and tearing the country apart because you are too stupid to realize there is nobody actually fighting against you or oppressing you is not going to make anything better.

look around you and wake up before it is too late... probably already is.

Exactly how is BLM burning down cities or tearing the country apart? Ending police racism is tearing the country apart? Only if the people resisting are total assholes. Every normal person feels like I do. Blacks AREN'T asking for anything special. They just want the same as everyone else. All this crap about "catering" and etc, is just B.S.
Talk to a black person some time. It might just change your mind.
If you think there is no one oppressing blacks or fighting against them, you don't know what you are talking about.
Most recently, how about 1 voting machine for 16,000 people in North Carolina. Of course, I'm sure that was just by chance. No way that the guy in charge of voting for the state spent $400,000 making a commercial telling how great the voting was going to be, when he could have bought another 1600 voting machines with the money.
Some people get hit by reality right in the face, and still don't get it.
It's too late now to go back to what it was even 5 years ago. The wave of change has been unleashed, and there is now no stopping it. But these changes will make things better for everyone, and that includes white people.
Don't be afraid. Be glad things are going to start improving.

[soja]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

Be glad things are going to start improving.

I am afraid you have been totally brainwashed. BLM is a racist organization that ignores all the problems in the black community so they can obsess on race and incite civil unrest if a white person does something to a black person, which is pretty fucking rare man, take a look at the statistics, the facts.

if you thing this is what improvement looks like, and most normal people thing like you, then we are all surely fucked.

[William May]

Originally Posted by sojalemmi ↗

I am afraid you have been totally brainwashed. BLM is a racist organization that ignores all the problems in the black community so they can obsess on race and incite civil unrest if a white person does something to a black person, which is pretty fucking rare man, take a look at the statistics, the facts.

if you thing this is what improvement looks like, and most normal people thing like you, then we are all surely fucked.

They aren't inciting civil unrest. Where are you seeing that? The civil unrest, seems to me to be coming from the people who hate BLM for no good reason. 98% of the marches are completely peaceful and law-abiding.

[Overlord86]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

BLM is working on educational initiatives, community mental health initiatives, and other efforts to improve black education, black medical care, and mental health care. A lot of it is NOT limited to blacks, but to all low-income individuals with financial and mental health problems. You are only seeing the protest side. The goal is to make the world a better place. (Yes, that includes pushing blacks to get better educations, and using community groups to put pressure on gangs and criminal elements to cease and desist.)

As much as I would love for all of these things to come true, the cynic in me says they will start with a few examples that once the media coverage is squeezed out of them their doors will close. A handful of people will become obscenely rich off donations meant to help the community, very much like what happened in Haiti. I'm sure Hilkary already has her bottle of hot sauce in her purse just waiting to meet whomever controls the donations.