[Briarknit]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

It’s absolutely adorable that you think CNN is a unique “source”. CNN is paid to tell you the exact same things that NPR, PBS, the BBC, CBC, CBS NBC et al are paid to tell you.

And I’m sure it’s just a complete coincidence that every “opinion” you’ve ever had, in your sad little NPC “life” just HAPPENS to align, 100% and without variation, with what CNN is paid to tell NPCs.

Your intellectual dishonesty is palpable. “6 guns”. I said he could very well have ANOTHER WEAPON. I’m very rarely in public without at least a gun and a knife. Sometimes I have two guns on me… in addition to a knife.

It’s an objective fact, but the people who pay your TV to tell you what to think haven’t paid them to tell it to you yet:

If you’re tussling with the police, and you make a rapid movement with your hand, sticking it in your pocket or whatever, they’re GOING to shoot you.

So much nuance is being lost just because the context of this event was hyped up by the media paid to distract you from the fraud investigations in MN.

Examples:

Yes, Pretti was licensed to carry a concealed (or open) firearm. BUT his carrying without his permit and ID was a felony just as if he’d been carrying without a license at all. Also, carrying, permit or no, while impeding police operations was a second felony.

That’s a fact.

Also, it doesn’t matter if he’d just had a gun pulled off him… or a bouquet or a bazooka… if you’re violently resisting the police, and you stick your hand in your pocket or into your coat, you’re getting shot. It doesn’t matter if you’re participating in a riot instigated by CNN and the governor of MN, or wrestling with Capitol Police.

The “but but he was disarmed!” argument doesn’t hold legal water. They could have pulled your “6 guns” off him but, until he stops resisting and submits to a search, he’s not considered disarmed.

It’s sad that you’ve co-opted your “mind” to a billionaire commie oligarch, and are incapable of processing objective truths that haven’t been spoon fed to you by your television, but such is the “life” of a useful idiot.

“Could have another weapon” is conjecture. Conjecture does not satisfy the legal threshold for deadly force. Reuters reports that verified bystander video shows agents pinning Pretti down, one agent removing a handgun from his waistband area and stepping away with it, and only then another agent firing multiple rounds.

“If you tussle and make a rapid movement, they’re going to shoot you” describes a failure mode, not a legal rule. Fourth Amendment force is judged by objective reasonableness under the circumstances, with immediate threat as the core factor. DOJ policy also limits deadly force to situations where the officer reasonably believes there is an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury.

“Media distraction from fraud investigations” is irrelevant to whether this shooting was lawful. Even if unrelated fraud investigations exist in Minnesota, that does not create a new deadly-force standard for immigration agents on the street.

“Carrying without his permit and ID was a felony” is false under Minnesota statute. Carrying in a public place without first having obtained a permit is a gross misdemeanor, and becomes a felony only on a second or subsequent conviction. If the person has a permit but does not have the permit card and government photo ID in immediate possession, the statute makes that a petty misdemeanor with a first-offense fine capped at $25, and the citation must be dismissed upon showing they were authorized at the time.

“Carrying while impeding police operations was a second felony” is not an automatic “fact.” Minnesota’s obstruction statute is tiered. It ranges from up to 90 days, to up to 364 days if accompanied by force or threat, to a felony only if the act created a risk of death or substantial bodily harm or caused that level of harm or damage.

“Disarmed does not count until he stops resisting and submits to a search” is invented language. The constitutional question is whether he posed an immediate threat justifying deadly force. Removing the gun from his waistband before shots were fired is directly relevant to that question, and Reuters reports video showing exactly that sequence. Tennessee v. Garner also rejects deadly force against a suspect who does not pose a threat to officers or others.

[Briarknit]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

The line is pretty simple:

As an American, you have a right to be armed, permit or no.

Also, as an American, you have the right to speak your mind and even protest the actions of the government.

What you don’t have the right to do is impede the lawful actions of the police. If you’re at a protest, and you see a fellow protestor being detained, and you interfere, then you just crossed that line.

Now that you’ve crossed that line, and the police are trying to detain you, if you violently resist, you’ve crossed another line.

Now that you’re openly fighting with police, if you do anything with your hands- shove them in your pocket or something- you’ve crossed a third line, and are now considered a deadly threat.

Thought Experiment:

Go down to your local town center and find a cop.

Show him your permit to carry.
What happens?

Tell him you hate the police.
What happens now?

Punch the cop and start wrestling with him, and then start rummaging around inside your coat.
What happens now??

Your framing invents an “arrest” that did not exist. The woman they shoved to the ground was not being arrested, so there was no detention to “interfere with” in the first place. That matters, because your whole escalation ladder starts from a premise that is false.

Next, “impeding lawful police actions” is not a kill switch. Even if someone crosses a line into obstruction or interference, the remedy is detention and charges. It is not summary execution. The legal threshold for deadly force is an immediate, articulable threat of death or serious bodily harm, not “he’s noncompliant” or “he’s in the way.”

Your “third line” is also backwards. A hand movement is not automatically a deadly threat, especially when the person has been pepper-sprayed, tackled, and pinned by multiple armed agents. In that situation, hands move for reflexive reasons: shielding eyes, bracing ribs, trying to breathe, trying to relieve pressure. Treating any movement as per se lethal threat is how people get killed for involuntary reactions.

Your thought experiment is a bait-and-switch. You swap “helping a woman who was shoved down” for “punching a cop.” Those are not comparable acts. If you need to change the facts into felony assault to make your logic work, your logic does not apply to the actual incident.

[Superdude4411]

Originally Posted by NUUDLZ ↗

And another MURDER BY ICE !!! I'm sorry but if you have 7+ guys and can't get ahold of 1 person then you obviously don't have the proper training to do your job. These are trigger happy assclowns These ICEHOLES are gutless WORMS who are bootlickers and Reich Wing Sycophants who enjoy hurting and bullying people. This is why they have to wear a mask because they know what they're doing is wrong. They don't want to be identified because when their Dirty Daddy Donald is no longer there to protect them they'll be locked up and put under the jail. Signed.. ONE PISSED OFF VET

Aww, cope harder, cry more. Don’t show up to harass and interfere with ICE, with a gun. ICE is doing what we voted for, getting rid of illegal criminals. If you have a problem with that, you’re part of the problem, and can kindly go fuck your own face.

God Bless ICE!!!! God Bless Donald Trump!!!

Liberals want to start a civil war, specifically Tampon Tim, to cover up his massive fraud ring. Let’s just say, I’m ready to take the gloves off already. I’m ready to fight to take our country back from ignorant lib buffoons, who are already openly creating their own communications network, and database to track and find ICE agents. There are people who are already part of the Minnesota and Minneapolis government, planning and talking about this stuff.

It’s time to wake up and shut these libs down for good.

[Superdude4411]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

He is shown doing literally NONE of that in the videos. Likewise, the sworn affidavits from immediate eyewitnesses that have been filed in Federal court also attest that he was doing none of that shit. Stop making shit up out of whole cloth. You weren't there, no. But you have seen the videos and you have read the witness affidavit. You're just gonna GUESS that maybe he did all this potentially (but not really in most cases) illegal shit even as you are presented with clear evidence that he, in fact, did none of it?

Witnesses and video both indicate that he helped a woman to her feet after she was knocked down. After that he was immediately pepper sprayed and then bum-rushed by half a dozen masked thugs while he was off balance and stumbling blind from the fucking pepper spray in his eyes.

The only thing that DHS has formally stated was that he was 'approaching agents aggressively with a gun and they fired defensively.'

That is clearly a bold-faced lie and not a single piece of footage or witness corroborates that bullshit.

Every possible angle of the video, as well as the witness statements, say he never drew a gun or was even seen reaching for one.

But even the expert witness conservative pundit who analyzed it based his entire justification for the firing squad on the predication that none of them even saw a gun until Paul Blart pulled it out of the victim's holster as he was pinned down and yelled 'Gun!"

Quit gaslighting and making up your own story. You lying fuckin libtard. The dude was clearly interfering with, and even at one point tried to push the officer, literally right before the officer said fuck it, you’re under arrest.

You and your cult can fuck right the hell off already. Real Americans are done with y’all’s hypocritical, gaslighting bullshit.

[Daishan69]

Originally Posted by Mr.NoCredit ↗

It’s so simple to do, “Listen to commands and follow along”, like *Simon fucking says, and you won’t get shot. Don’t follow them around and/or get in their way and you won’t get shot. They have a job to do, are *Federal Agents* and have the authority to place people under arrest and defend themselves against aggression. Follow simple rules and you’re good.

FAFO

Everyone's favourite fascist gaslighting guidelines

[Dream_Trawler]

Originally Posted by Superdude4411 ↗

You lying fuckin libtard

Stop with the Us vs Them mentality against your own brothers. We're all getting fucked by the people who own the country.

[John Golbunnie]

Holy shit.. The blind right wanted a Dictatorship and now they have it.

[Rugboot88]

Originally Posted by Superdude4411 ↗

Aww, cope harder, cry more. Don’t show up to harass and interfere with ICE, with a gun. ICE is doing what we voted for, getting rid of illegal criminals. If you have a problem with that, you’re part of the problem, and can kindly go fuck your own face.

God Bless ICE!!!! God Bless Donald Trump!!!

Liberals want to start a civil war, specifically Tampon Tim, to cover up his massive fraud ring. Let’s just say, I’m ready to take the gloves off already. I’m ready to fight to take our country back from ignorant lib buffoons, who are already openly creating their own communications network, and database to track and find ICE agents. There are people who are already part of the Minnesota and Minneapolis government, planning and talking about this stuff.

It’s time to wake up and shut these libs down for good.

Your comment no longer engages law, facts, or evidence.

Cheering a death and saying “this is what we voted for” fundamentally misunderstands what voting authorizes in this country. Americans vote for laws, due process, and accountable enforcement. No election authorizes summary executions, collective punishment, or lethal force untethered from constitutional standards. Law enforcement authority flows from restraint and justification, not from political enthusiasm.

Assertions about harassment, interference, civil war, fraud rings, and secret databases are claims that require evidence. None is presented. None addresses the specific facts under discussion. Invoking broader conspiracies does not resolve questions about use of force at a particular moment in time.

Calls to “shut people down for good” and talk of taking gloves off are not expressions of law and order. They are admissions that constitutional limits have become inconvenient. The Constitution does not yield to anger, party loyalty, or slogans, even when enforcement goals are popular.

Disagreement with federal enforcement policy does not make someone un-American. Demanding that the government meet constitutional standards is the most American position there is. Due process and accountability are not obstacles to enforcement. They are what separate lawful authority from raw power.

At this point, an attempt at peaceful political discourse, the kind our forebears clearly intended, may simply be futile here. That realization makes Vedderman’s lack of bedside manner and occasional abrasiveness easier to understand. He may be speaking the only language that reliably gets through to this mindset. On that note, Mr. Vedderman, I yield my time.

[Coolingwhiteboy]

Resisting arrest and following ice all day is why this happened to him.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

UPDATE

Case Updates from 24 Jan to Present

Preservation of Evidence and Court Orders
U.S. officials have confirmed that body-camera footage and related physical evidence from the Pretti shooting are being preserved after a temporary restraining order was issued by a federal judge. Minnesota authorities sought the restraining order amid disputes with federal officials over access to the scene and evidence. Federal Homeland Security officials declined to promise sharing the footage with Minnesota investigators. State officials have alleged irregularities in evidence handling.

Legal and Investigation Status
Two court hearings have been held related to the federal response, including one on preventing destruction or alteration of evidence related to the shooting and another involving Minnesota’s request to scale back the federal immigration enforcement operation known as Operation Metro Surge.

Political and Legal Reactions
Republican and Democratic lawmakers have publicly called for a transparent independent investigation into the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti. Figures from both parties emphasized the need for de-escalation, accountability, and full disclosure of facts, even as the Department of Homeland Security maintained the shooting was in defense.

Public and Community Reaction
Minnesota business leaders and sports franchises issued statements calling for immediate de-escalation of tensions following the shooting. These leaders expressed concern about the social and economic impact of ongoing unrest tied to the federal operation.

Condolences and Official Statements
The Secretary of Veterans Affairs reiterated condolences to Pretti’s family, confirmed his role as a VA nurse, and echoed federal messaging that local leadership bears some responsibility for tensions linked to the incident.

Public Debate Over Federal Accounts
National organizations including the National Rifle Association publicly criticized statements from a federal prosecutor suggesting the shooting was "legally justified" because Pretti carried a gun. The group called for awaiting the full investigation before drawing broad conclusions.

Local Perspectives and Community Voices
Local business owners near the shooting site described the event as a neighborhood tragedy, characterizing it as a murder in the street and reflecting on community grief.

Federal Operations Adjustment
Reports indicate that some federal agents may begin to withdraw from Minneapolis, and key federal personnel such as the Chief of U.S. Border Patrol may leave the state amid the controversy. Federal deployment decisions are being discussed in the context of ongoing protests and legal challenges.

Ongoing Protests and Tensions
Clashes between protesters and law enforcement continue around Minneapolis, with demonstrators demanding the departure of immigration agents and calling for justice in Pretti’s death. These tensions have extended beyond Minneapolis to attract national attention and bipartisan political commentary.

Background and Additional Context
The shooting of Alex Pretti is part of an ongoing multi-phase federal immigration enforcement effort in Minnesota known as Operation Metro Surge, which has involved multiple law enforcement encounters and has drawn significant public protest and legal scrutiny.

SOURCES

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...retti-shooting
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-border-patrol
https://time.com/7357837/republicans...ng-ice-agents/
https://nypost.com/2026/01/26/us-new...ified-11892642
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/vi...on-the-street/
https://nypost.com/2026/01/26/busine...de-escalation/
https://abc7.com/live-updates/minnea...ests/18471099/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Metro_Surge