[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

Pretti was actually in violation of the MN carry law when he resisted detainment and was shot. The MN law says that you have to have your permit and state ID on you when carrying. His failure to have his ID while carrying is a felony- the same as if he were carrying without a permit at all.

I’m a bit dubious on the circumstances of his shooting, as it does appear that he was disarmed before being shot, but we haven’t seen any camera angles to show what he was doing with his hands at that moment.

If he was violently resisting police, and they take a weapon off him, but he is still actively resisting and, say, digs his hands into his pockets, that would be a justified-shoot in any other circumstance.

It sucks that he was killed, but one drastically increases their chances of something like this happening to them when they go out, armed and belligerent, and try to impede the lawful operations of the police.

So then dont stand up and protest and let them go door to door like the gestapo dragging people on to planes and sending them back because they entered the county illegally?

isnt this what you wanted and voted for. Dont impede them from doing their job and you wont get shot.

seems like a long slippery road to me but.... they are doing what the public wants them to do. What they wanted Trump to do . arent they?.



round we go

[crice63]

Originally Posted by Myristylbenzylmorphine ↗

The guy in the grey top goes into the fight with nothing in his hands and then comes out with a weapon which it appears he pulled off of the victim, only then are shots fired.

Okay, if officers are not at threat anymore, why did they shoot several times, many times when the guy was motionless on ground????

[r.p.mcmurphy]

Is The Boston Massacre still taught in US schools? Crispus Attucks, anyone? The new King George is deploying his troops in the streets to enforce unpopular laws. It's easy to read who the Royalists are.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

I want to say I agree but..... That looked a bit wanton to me. Why did they even grab him?

According to the sworn witness affidavits and what the vast majority of people are gleaning from the multiple angles of video footage, for no reason whatsoever. He tried to help a woman up after they knocked her down and then put his empty hand out in front of him (and her) to block a burst of pepper spray they were hitting them with. There is no indication anywhere in footage or in sworn witness testimony that he did any more than that.

A combination of bloodthirst, misguided loyalty to the Mad King who pays them (though not enough to afford real uniforms, apparently), and gross lack of training, discipline, and guidance.

Ten years ago, ICE and BP agents were vetted and trained with a year-long deep background check and a full year in training before being put in the field. This batch that Barbie and Dementia Don rushed into the streets for their fucking circus performance are verified to have 47 days of training.

Except for about 4000 of them for whom an 'algorithm glitch' fucked up their onboarding paperwork and they received no training whatsoever. Zero.

[Gorelord]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

He's some sort of dipshit lurker who sat more or less silent on the site for over a decade and then got radicalized with the Renee Good murder and has been uncorked ever since. Not a single post making any sort of sense, just this level of juvenile 'humor' and a bunch of ragebait trolling.

He's crazy as a rat in a tin shit house, though. Just yesterday in the RG thread he was bragging about how he was training his four kids in something called 'The Law of FAFO' and making them recite "Comply or Die" every night before bed and shit. Creepy fucking guy, actually.

Pretti Good story. Laughed so hard I Can’t Breathe.

[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by davebaron666 ↗

First shot is a negligent discharge from an inept ICE agent who desont know how to hold a handgun.

And the other ICE agents who heard the shot simply start blasting an unarmed man because they are also inept idiots.

Just imagine what would happen if we didint have so many camera angle, they would show the gun and give us a story about heroic ICE agent and that would be the end of it.

Now guess how many times this happened before.

I was thinking its the guy that reached over and took the gun from his holster while he had both hands on the floor. like he shouted gun and also fired that weapon as he walked off. Maybe I imagined that putting all the clips together in my head.

Dindt he just walk off with the guys gun and it popped?

[Rikbikboo]

I just read this.

"The firearm matters—and the media is hiding it. At the Minneapolis Border Patrol shooting, the suspect was armed with a SIG Sauer P320 AXG Combat, a high-capacity 9mm pistol with a threaded barrel, extended 20–21 round magazine, and a SIG Romeo optic—a setup costing $1,500–$2,000. This was not a cheap carry gun.

Officers were in a physical struggle with an armed suspect when a gun was perceived and the word “gun” was shouted. Under settled self-defense law, officers are entitled to rely on fellow officers’ reasonable perceptions. They do not have to personally confirm the threat.

Once a firearm appears during active resistance, the legal standard is simple: reasonable perception of imminent deadly force. That standard was met here. Freeze-frame activism doesn’t override real-time dynamics, and the law does not require officers to wait to be shot. This was a tragic—but lawful—use of force." Andrew Branca" X

if thats true then thats even more scary.

"Choices have consequences" say federal agents

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

I just read this.

"The firearm matters—and the media is hiding it. At the Minneapolis Border Patrol shooting, the suspect was armed with a SIG Sauer P320 AXG Combat, a high-capacity 9mm pistol with a threaded barrel, extended 20–21 round magazine, and a SIG Romeo optic—a setup costing $1,500–$2,000. This was not a cheap carry gun.

Officers were in a physical struggle with an armed suspect when a gun was perceived and the word “gun” was shouted. Under settled self-defense law, officers are entitled to rely on fellow officers’ reasonable perceptions. They do not have to personally confirm the threat.

Once a firearm appears during active resistance, the legal standard is simple: reasonable perception of imminent deadly force. That standard was met here. Freeze-frame activism doesn’t override real-time dynamics, and the law does not require officers to wait to be shot. This was a tragic—but lawful—use of force." Andrew Branca" X

if thats true then thats even more scary.

"Choices have consequences" say federal agents

We'll see how it shakes out. He's an 'expert witness' in self-defense law, but also a die-hard ultra-conservative racist who simps for the Fash with every neuron in his body.

His opinion means something, though. He is often used as an expert witness and is a semi-famous talking head on self-defense law. Then again, I also serve as an expert witness in my professional field and there's a lot of people in the world and on this site that'd happily opine that I don't know shit.

It is nothing more than his personal analysis and I am fairly certain he has not dealt often with the situation of an unlawful detention (the videos and witnesses still provide ZERO explanation for why he was being detained/arrested/beaten in the first place) perpetrated by a mob of untrained federal agents assaulting a 'suspect' in a dogpile, disarming him, and then doing a full firing-squad fusillade on his back while he is pinned to the ground.

But this country is a shitshow. So who the fuck knows.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

"Choices have consequences" say federal agents

Unless you're a federal agent, and then all professional responsibility goes out the window because your emperor-in-chief will just use his cheat code to grant you a new sprite.

Sure, they should rely on their peers to aid in assessing the situation, but the word "gun" could imply that someone has a gun on their holster, that someone else in the vicinity has a gun...I didn't know the word "gun" was synonymous with "summary execution".

[Rikbikboo]

That would seem to be the case.