[Vedderman]

Here is a sworn affidavit from one of the women who were standing near him when they were all pepper sprayed. Names redacted.

This sworn affidavit was filed in Federal Court this afternoon and the woman who testified has expressed a willingness to do so again in court if and when this unlawful execution comes to trial.

I have said it before in less certain terms, so I will reiterate for all of you who continue to justify, rationalize, or make excuses for what they did to this US citizen who, based both on the videos and sworn eyewitness testimony filed in court, WAS DOING FUCKING NOTHING TO ANTAGONIZE OR PROVOKE THESE JACKBOOTED THUGS INTO MURDERING HIM.

[spyderguard]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

So other than letting them operate unfettered, with no actual civilian oversight at all for their actions and no accountability, since they do not wear bodycams, they fabricate reports, and you want civilian observers to be stonewalled, what is your solution to deal with the illegal behavior that you claim to not condone. To deal with the illegal break-ins, the constitutional violations by the bucketload. To deal with kidnappings circumventing due process.

I’ve actually thought about this - how civilians can stay safe while documenting the actions of these ICE clowns. Confronting them is clearly unsafe.

I fantasize about these thousands of protesters, instead of protesting, all getting civilian drones and swarming the agents from overhead, recording ICE’s every action from every angle, and uploading them to a dedicated massive website like documentingice.com.

Or…given that ICE’s “uniform” is no different from random terrorist costumes, I wonder what would happen if all the protesters showed up in ski masks and milspec attire from Amazon and confused the shit out of them. Maybe they’ll end up shooting one of their own

[spyderguard]

After seeing the actual footage myself, I am quite disturbed reading this on Associated Press:

“ Department of Homeland Security spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement that federal officers were conducting an operation and fired “defensive shots” after a man with a handgun approached them and “violently resisted” when they tried to disarm him.

DHS Secretary Kristi Noem said during a news conference that Pretti had shown up to “impede a law enforcement operation.” She questioned why he was armed but did not offer details about whether Pretti drew the weapon or brandished it at officers.

The officer who shot him is an eight-year Border Patrol veteran, federal officials said.“

[pervM]

Originally Posted by spyderguard ↗

I fantasize about these thousands of protesters, instead of protesting, all getting civilian drones and swarming the agents from overhead, recording ICE’s every action from every angle, and uploading them to a dedicated massive website like documentingice.com.

A drone swarm would be a hazard by itself, but otherwise the drone idea is not a bad one. They tend to have zooms good enough that you get good detail from far away. Depends heavily where you fly them of course, flying drones around air strips and military buildings is not allowed in most parts of the world.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by MorbidlYaBeasT ↗

I personally understand that violently resisting law enforcement whilst armed, and in the middle of them trying to disarm you is indeed retarded. I find it retarded to obstruct law enforcement in general. but in the process of trying to disarm you when they have identified you as being involved in an altercation with one or more of them, and they have now seen that you are carrying a concealed weapon (regardless of having his papers to do so) is flat our suicide by cop.

when you say "all they have to do is stumble?" what are you talking about exactly? I have seen two videos on here of law enforcement in America seemingly just randomly attacking someone unprovoked or in a way i consider to be not consistent with the duties of a law enforcement officer.

I'm not so sure about "all they had to do is stumble." with the exception of those two that popped in my head, there was always common denominators... like engaging the cops violently, and being armed at the same time, resisting being disarmed, or detained/arrested, driving cars at police officers, etc etc.
my point is if they followed the basic and to me reasonable rules for this type of situation, they would probably be in a better situation right now.

It's sad to me that this happened. I do think it would be more of a travesty for a cop to have been murdered by him in the line of duty, for doing what they were trained to do leading up to the incident... for trying to disarm a man that was violently engaging with police officers while armed. Every action that man takes in that video looked very retarded to me as well.

also, ICE advertises its job opportunities through the federal government's official job website, USAJOBS. applicants are encouraged to regularly search for listings on USAJOBS, as ICE does not use newspapers to advertise positions. I believe the officer that shot him first or what appeared to be first, has been on the force for 8 years. you must be thinking of the FTA... bunch of crazies they are.

Im speaking about the slippery slope that evolves when this gang of miscreants shoot a man dead, and there are people saying "well this is a tragedy but he sorta asked for it" and the bureaucracy behind them is saying "he was a clear and present danger to our agents of chaos" and footage clearly shows otherwise.

You give them an inch, they'll take a mile. The murder of that lady in Minneapolis wasnt enough of a lesson, apparently. This is now a pattern, and a terrifying one, and all they get from their superiors is FULL STEAM AHEAD.

No, he didnt ask for it. He was exercising his 1st and 2nd amendment rights and at no point did he even reach for his gun or point it at anyone. Proper law enforcement with proper training would have anticipated this, and also anticipated "suicide by cop" tactics.

Even genuine retardation is something police officers take into account. Not every drunk that comes blubbering and bumbling at them gets pumped full of lead.

ICR originally advertised in newspapers, this went back to the days of INS. Now theyve gotten more into digital advertising. I dont see them advertising on the Nee York Times, so I wonder where exactly they are pooling their candidates from.

Where inderd

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

Never ever have I said this anywhere. You political types here really love putting words in peoples mouths. I spelled it out to you twice that ICE agents obviously fucked up and you just refuse to read plain english.

I also keep pointing out that the ICE fucked up by twice by letting the protestors and filming people get that close to begin with. The Minnesota police fucked up by not cordoning off the area for everyone's safety.

Lastly I point out that people here suggesting people should go and antagonize law officers in active situations are stupid especially if the law officers really are blindly shooting murdering maniacs like political types here claim. First you say they are vile sharks, then you insist its wise to jump into a water tank with them with a meat belt.

You need to read what you wrote very carefully, becsuse you are STILL making excuses for them. Even in this response you are trying to blame the victim for "antagonizing." People do that all the time, they don't get murdrred, and most of the time thry dont even get beat up at all, just tazrd.

[tyroneslothrop]

Originally Posted by SkinnyFella ↗

It looks like the agent that took his pistol had an accidental discharge, and the rest of the agents reacted as if there was a threat.

The conservative Second Amendment attorney and commentator Andrew Branca speculated much the same at 8:59 here in this Youtube video:

[tyroneslothrop]

Originally Posted by Kotax ↗

Want to point out he had a legal carry permit. He never pulled it out they jumped on him beat him and shot him 5 times.

I looked through the thread and didn't see anyone who had reposted the DHS official statement on X. I'm posting it below not because I have any opinion on its credibility, but because I think it's an important record of the statements made about this shooting.

It also raises something that hasn't been discussed in this thread yet: whether Alex Pretti was carrying identification. If he wasn't, then obviously he wouldn't have been carrying his license to carry a firearm either. That's not a crime (it's at most a misdemeanor), but not carrying ID along with his firearm permit may have played a role in how events transpired.

The DHS official statement:

At 9:05 AM CT, as DHS law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun, seen here.

The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming.

Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots. Medics on scene immediately delivered medical aid to the subject but was pronounced dead at the scene.

The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID—this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement.

About 200 rioters arrived at the scene and began to obstruct and assault law enforcement on the scene, crowd control measures were deployed for the safety of the public and law enforcement.

This situation is evolving, and more information is forthcoming.

[Gorelord]

Pretti Good lesson to be learned here, you fuck with the bull you get the horns

[davebaron666]

First shot is a negligent discharge from an inept ICE agent who desont know how to hold a handgun.

And the other ICE agents who heard the shot simply start blasting an unarmed man because they are also inept idiots.

Just imagine what would happen if we didint have so many camera angle, they would show the gun and give us a story about heroic ICE agent and that would be the end of it.

Now guess how many times this happened before.