[Briarknit]

Originally Posted by Mr.NoCredit ↗

For a smart guy, you sure say some dumb shit. The police are “bad men”? ICE is “Gestapo” out there murdering people in the streets? Give me a break.

The guy lived in Denver, not Minneapolis. He wasn’t carrying any ID, he was armed with a loaded weapon and spare magazines, and he was in a place he had no business being. He didn’t even live in the state—he went there to protest, inserted himself right into the middle of it, and paid the ultimate price for his own actions.

Are we talking about Kyle Rittenhouse or the VA nurse who was trying to help a lady off the street?

You are describing a person traveling to a public place while lawfully armed and treating that as justification for being shot. That standard would erase the Second Amendment in practice.

Start with the basic facts shown in the bystander footage and reported analyses. Agents pinned him down. An agent removed his handgun and walked away with it. Only after that, another agent fired multiple rounds.

Six federal agents versus one man, already on the ground, already disarmed. That is not “fear for life.” That is a failure to control a scene without lethal force, followed by lethal force anyway. Under the Fourth Amendment, deadly force is unconstitutional when the person does not pose an immediate threat of death or serious injury.

Your side points to ID, state lines, and “he had no business being there.” None of that creates legal grounds for summary execution. Americans have freedom of travel. They do not need papers on demand to exist in public. “Not from here” is not a deadly-force trigger.

Even if you insist the gun existed in the encounter, lawful possession is not a death sentence. Reports describe him as not brandishing, not drawing, not firing, with his hands visible while recording. If the rule becomes “armed in public equals killable,” then the right to bear arms is fictional.

Impeding law enforcement is not a capital offense. It does not carry the death penalty. If there was probable cause for a crime, the remedy is arrest, charges, and court. They ensured none of that could happen by killing him on the spot.

Labeling him a “domestic terrorist” is post hoc narrative control, not a legal authorization to shoot. A label does not substitute for imminent threat, and it does not override the Constitution.

[chumster76]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

ICE do not wear body cams. They strongly prefer that no visual recordings of their actions exist.

This is also why, unlike ALL other public-facing law enforcement, they hide behind masks, do not wear badges with ID numbers, and do not identify themselves when kidnapping, assaulting, or murdering US citizens.

Not that a body cam reel would help if either your eyesight or your bias is so warped that it ‘looks like they’re wrestling with him to get the gun away.’

He never even fucking drew it.

How did they know he had a gun? Too many questions to form an opinion right now.

[Mr.NoCredit]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

I will thread ban you.

Don’t sweat it bro. I’ll just thread ban myself. I enjoy seeing the bickering and all the hotheads but it’s not why I’m here. This is nothing but a rant anyways.

I did enjoy seeing your posted picture, though, strapped to the 9’s! That’s classic. I hope you show up in Minneapolis looking like that. Let me know how it goes, please.

Bye guy.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by chumster76 ↗

How did they know he had a gun? Too many questions to form an opinion right now.

The commonly accepted theory is that they did not know, because he never drew or reached for it, until they had already dog piled him. One of the agents saw it at that point and allegedly yelled ‘Gun!’ as he (the agent) can be seen pulling the gun from its holster. A moment later, with Pretti still pinned, unarmed, and beaten…they emptied a collective ten+ rounds into his back.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Mr.NoCredit ↗

Don’t sweat it bro. I’ll just thread ban myself. I enjoy seeing the bickering and all the hotheads but it’s not why I’m here. This is nothing but a rant anyways.

I did enjoy seeing your posted picture, though, strapped to the 9’s! That’s classic. I hope you show up in Minneapolis looking like that. Let me know how it goes, please.

Bye guy.

Or, you know, just stop posting blatant and misleading lies that have been disproven by dozens of sources?

Reeeeeeally shouldn’t be that big of an ask. But sure, you do you.

[chumster76]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

The commonly accepted theory is that they did not know, because he never drew or reached for it, until they had already dog piled him. One of the agents saw it at that point and allegedly yelled ‘Gun!’ as he (the agent) can be seen pulling the gun from its holster. A moment later, with Pretti still pinned, unarmed, and beaten…they emptied a collective ten+ rounds into his back.

I watched more videos, and it looks like one guy did all the shooting. I counted 4 shots in the back, and he pumped him with several more. I won't be surprised if he faces charges as he should.

[lion]

Damn that was cold blooded

[tyroneslothrop]

Originally Posted by warioman91 ↗

There's a 'theory' that the first shot was actually from the victim's own firearm as it was carried off by the gray coat wearing agent. Can anyone help confirm or deny this theory?
I've watched the videos but find them too blurry to definitively say. It kinda looks like his arm(holding the gun) moves unnaturally as if 'recoil' at the moment of the shot, but it's not something I can say with true confidence. Look for other evidence like a muzzle flash/smoke, etc.

This video, at 6:10, shows clearly the gun moving to the side, the slide moving, and the heat wave from the barrel as it is accidentally fired, triggering the "contagious gunfire":

[tyroneslothrop]

Originally Posted by tyroneslothrop ↗

This video, at 6:10, shows clearly the gun moving to the side, the slide moving, and the heat wave from the barrel as it is accidentally fired, triggering the "contagious gunfire":

For more on the subject of "contagious gunfire" or "contagious shooting", see this wikipedia page.

[Mr.NoCredit]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

I dont care about your beef with Vedderman.

Where do you draw the line between an impediment and a murder? Since a man who is not holding a gun in his hands is fair game, where do you draw the line?

I’m not supporting law enforcement for their actions if that’s what you’re getting at. It was a total shit show.

Where I draw the line is taking a loaded weapon to go protest ICE and then resisting arrest while carrying said weapon. If I were a law enforcement officer I’d feel very threatened by that. Wouldn’t you? If some over 6 foot guy was screaming in my face then fought 5 officers to resist arrest and they found a loaded gun on him!?! I’d literally think he was there to shoot me. That’s where I draw the line. It escalated to a point where someone lost their life because of it. It got WAY out of hand for sure. Had the guy not been carrying, not fought with officers and obeyed their commands he’d still be alive to contest it in court. Sadly that’s not the case.