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Billthegravedigger · #**191** ● 03-19-2012, 04:24 PM

an excellent tableau of photos....it seems really hard for people to comprehend the forces at work in this kind of trauma--where the body is obliterated...i suppose if you were to imagine getting hit by a gigantic concrete ping pong paddle traveling at 150 mph...

Yes, and I don't get it. People have no doubt that people are ripped apart in high speed car crashes, why do they doubt that a person falling 1,200 feet at 145 mph to concrete will also destroy a body ? You being an EMS, I'm sure you have seen some bad shit. If they can't look at all the pictures and video that is up about this and tell it's a human being exploding everywhere, I don't know what to say.

ebneter · #**192** ● 03-20-2012, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Ironicly, it was a pretty advanced survallence system they had in play, the kind you would expect the Pentagon to have. The strategic command of the U.S.A. had survallence systems inferior to the WTC. Just doesn't seem right does it ?

My impression was that they had much more surveillance inside than outside, not really expecting that anyone would actually try to attack the building. Of course, the building itself is very strong, as was evident by how well it withstood the impact.

verizonvoyajerk · #**193** ● 03-20-2012, 04:58 AM

I don't know how you miss it. It's not like in your face obvious, but it's pretty clearly there.

Billthegravedigger · #**194** ● 03-20-2012, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by ebneter ↗

My impression was that they had much more surveillance inside than outside, not really expecting that anyone would actually try to attack the building. Of course, the building itself is very strong, as was evident by how well it withstood the impact.

The inside had better cctv systems for sure, I just never understood why the outside took a picture every other second. As they know now, a lot can happen in the second that is not recording. Your right about not thinking it would be directly attacked, hell, they have men with MP-5s and about every other type of small arms you can think of.

Billthegravedigger · #**195** ● 03-20-2012, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by verizonvoyajerk ↗

I don't know how you miss it. It's not like in your face obvious, but it's pretty clearly there.

Thanks, that it pretty much what I thought as well. Some people................

Temptation · #**196** ● 03-22-2012, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Actually there is quite a bit of video of the jumpers hitting the ground. Some from the news crews who were there, some from people who had camcorders, and some survellance footage throughout the WTC complex.

The survallence cameras themselves were destroyed after both collapses, but the footage survived because it was in the basement part of the Marriot Hotel in a section that was reinforced after the 1993 bombing.

They say they do not want to release it because it dehumanizes the people who jumped, but I say if people saw it, the would have a better idea of what was going on. Imagine being 1,200 in the air, with one way down. You know you WILL die if you jump, but the heat just keeps getting hotter and the smoke does too.

Hot smoke can roast you from the inside out, not to mention smother and dissorient you. I believe some fell out because they were blinded and choked by smoke, but some made a conscience effort and jumped. I would have jumped myself, I am terrified of heights, but I would like burning to death even less.

makes sense.

In the videos you posted i noticed smoke in the bottom layers of the building raising up though the windows what's causing this?

Billthegravedigger · #**197** ● 03-22-2012, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Temptation ↗

makes sense.

In the videos you posted i noticed smoke in the bottom layers of the building raising up though the windows what's causing this?

I'll look close, being that is what asked others to do. If I don't find it, just point it out to me.

Billthegravedigger · #**198** ● 03-23-2012, 12:09 AM

Is this it ? If it is, it is a car on fire. It's not coming from the buildings, it is a car engulfed in fire and smoking.

Billthegravedigger · #**199** ● 03-23-2012, 03:36 PM

There were several cars that caught fire around the complex, and three were in this general area on Liberty Street. The smoke was drifting from the area were the three red rectangles are on this little map, and looked like it was coming from the bottom of the buildings.

Billthegravedigger · #**200** ● 03-23-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Temptation ↗

makes sense.

In the videos you posted i noticed smoke in the bottom layers of the building raising up though the windows what's causing this?

Here you go man, look through this video and it will explain a lot. Better than the maps and shit.

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