[Horndog666]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

I have a relative who is a religious fundamentalist. When confronted with such incidents, he turns to his Bible, specifically Leviticus 20:13, and says that this ends the discussion. As you might guess, this passage prescribes the death penalty for homosexual acts.
There are more people out there who think along those lines than one would like to believe.

That's actually false, the bible does NOT mention anything directly about Homosexuality... especially not death. LOL Your relative sounds like a total crackpot if he's going to take everything so unbelievably to heart like that when he doesn't even have an argument to begin with, no offense. People don't realize that everything in that book of fairytales isn't meant to be taken LITERALLY. The entire chapter isn't even about gays, more or less is about something totally different but folks always love to misinterpret shit when it wasn't even remotely written by God in the first place. The bible also legitimately states that once a woman has been raped, she can be sold to her rapist.

[Horndog666]

Originally Posted by KidGloves ↗

What a typical npc

Was that supposed to be an insult? LMAO I don't even know what that is, but nice try dickhead. Also what the actual fuck is up with your profile picture? Are you 12 years old? Peter Pan is one of the worst Disney films.

[Horndog666]

Originally Posted by justjux2 ↗

Okay. So where are all you racist fucks that have a mouthful when it’s time to talk about black on black crime. Why are y’all so quiet on these million posts that outnumber black videos?!

My thoughts exactly, these people are some pussies!

[philovan]

Originally Posted by Horndog666 ↗

That's actually false, the bible does NOT mention anything directly about Homosexuality... especially not death.

I appreciate your general points here and elsewhere . However, it is hard to interpret that particular passage (Lev 20:13) in any other way. I quote: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." The same thing is said also in Lev 18:22. One might like to think that the New Testament changed these laws, but one finds the same idea repeated in Romans 1:26,27.

Granting your point, that much of the Bible is not to be taken literally, it is hard to find a non literal interpretation of these particular passages. I was subject to the fundamentalists as a young person, and got to know a lot of that stuff.

[itchypussy]

i am not sure he meant to kill him though !

[Horndog666]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

I appreciate your general points here and elsewhere . However, it is hard to interpret that particular passage (Lev 20:13) in any other way. I quote: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." The same thing is said also in Lev 18:22. One might like to think that the New Testament changed these laws, but one finds the same idea repeated in Romans 1:26,27.

Granting your point, that much of the Bible is not to be taken literally, it is hard to find a non literal interpretation of these particular passages. I was subject to the fundamentalists as a young person, and got to know a lot of that stuff.

https://medium.com/@adamnicholasphil...t-13ae949d6619 I recommend you read this.

[Horndog666]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

I appreciate your general points here and elsewhere . However, it is hard to interpret that particular passage (Lev 20:13) in any other way. I quote: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." The same thing is said also in Lev 18:22. One might like to think that the New Testament changed these laws, but one finds the same idea repeated in Romans 1:26,27.

Granting your point, that much of the Bible is not to be taken literally, it is hard to find a non literal interpretation of these particular passages. I was subject to the fundamentalists as a young person, and got to know a lot of that stuff.

Personally I find Religion to be nothing more than a cancer than genuinely needs to be removed from the world. Everything would be so much better off without this type of man-made bullshit.

[philovan]

Originally Posted by Horndog666 ↗

Personally I find Religion to be nothing more than a cancer than genuinely needs to be removed from the world. Everything would be so much better off without this type of man-made bullshit.

I read the reference you gave, above, but am not convinced by the attempts to defuse the anti-homosexual passages. They appear as rather desperate efforts to "save" the faith from the charge of homophobia, efforts that fail in the end since the plain meanings of some of those passages can't be evaded.

I think that your second option, in your latest msg, is the one you must take to be logically consistent as a secular gay person. There can be no reconciliation between the orthodox Christian faith and homosexual relations. From the standpoint of the former, you are ever regarded as a sinner in need of repentance. This is what you will hear 99 percent of the time from orthodox preachers.

Yes, I know that the more liberal Protestant denominations have softened their stance, but they are, either openly or tacitly, tossing the offending Biblical passages onto the fire. They are, in effect, saying that we moderns must judge as to what there is in the Bible that is worthwhile, keeping the many social justice passages and junking the harsh judgmental passages on homosexual and many other activities. This course has the honesty of admitting that there are clearly anti-gay teachings in the Bible, and instead of trying to "interpret" them away, comes right out and says that they are wrong and must be disregarded. Of course, once we set ourselves up as judge of the ancient doctrines (and all old, traditional religions run into this issue) we are no longer classifiable as adherents to the faith as received from the "fathers." It is best to openly declare this rather than to craft a forced exegesis in a vain attempt to make the "nasty" stuff go away.

At least this is the conclusion that I have come to after studying the matter at some length. I seriously followed the Protestant religion in my youth, even to the point of enrolling in seminary. It was my study of philosophy (in which I eventually got my Ph.D.) that turned me away from the former.

[Horndog666]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

I read the reference you gave, above, but am not convinced by the attempts to defuse the anti-homosexual passages. They appear as rather desperate efforts to "save" the faith from the charge of homophobia, efforts that fail in the end since the plain meanings of some of those passages can't be evaded.

I think that your second option, in your latest msg, is the one you must take to be logically consistent as a secular gay person. There can be no reconciliation between the orthodox Christian faith and homosexual relations. From the standpoint of the former, you are ever regarded as a sinner in need of repentance. This is what you will hear 99 percent of the time from orthodox preachers.

Yes, I know that the more liberal Protestant denominations have softened their stance, but they are, either openly or tacitly, tossing the offending Biblical passages onto the fire. They are, in effect, saying that we moderns must judge as to what there is in the Bible that is worthwhile, keeping the many social justice passages and junking the harsh judgmental passages on homosexual and many other activities. This course has the honesty of admitting that there are clearly anti-gay teachings in the Bible, and instead of trying to "interpret" them away, comes right out and says that they are wrong and must be disregarded. Of course, once we set ourselves up as judge of the ancient doctrines (and all old, traditional religions run into this issue) we are no longer classifiable as adherents to the faith as received from the "fathers." It is best to openly declare this rather than to craft a forced exegesis in a vain attempt to make the "nasty" stuff go away.

At least this is the conclusion that I have come to after studying the matter at some length. I seriously followed the Protestant religion in my youth, even to the point of enrolling in seminary. It was my study of philosophy (in which I eventually got my Ph.D.) that turned me away from the former.

You know I honestly cannot help but laugh... That is since I always laugh at complete idiots who act like they are somehow doing "God's work" (when God doesn't even fucking exist) by promoting the hatred of Homosexuality like this type of pure, blatant bigotry is considered to be the norm. Lol when it's actually not! People as contemptible and vile as that would let them freeze to death on the bench outside of the church (which my friend and I have legitimately seen happen)! If anything, Homosexuality is 100% NORMAL dude. If you were really well-educated then you would also realize that there are over 1000 different species of animals in which Homosexuality has also been well exhibited and documented. It seems as though you forgot to love thy neighbor. Jesus never said a goddamn thing about the Gays like myself, so stop spreading all of these utterly bullshit, erroneous misconceptions. It doesn't even matter what the bible states because that loathesome excuse of a book is literally the BIGGEST sham in history!

The only people who are going to hell, more or less are commiting an "abomination" are those dumb enough to be so black & white about everything. There has been no genuine word of God ever recorded, period! God and religion are all frivolous, man-made inventions because people like yourself are so afraid of dying that they just cannot accept death. If you're going to be a slave to this kind of thing (instead of being able to think for yourself and see all of the hypocrisy and contradictions that are contained within it), then you cannot simply cherrypick the bible like so many other blind sheep do. Us Homosexuals go all the back to Ancient times like your so-called book of fairytales.

[Horndog666]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

I read the reference you gave, above, but am not convinced by the attempts to defuse the anti-homosexual passages. They appear as rather desperate efforts to "save" the faith from the charge of homophobia, efforts that fail in the end since the plain meanings of some of those passages can't be evaded.

I think that your second option, in your latest msg, is the one you must take to be logically consistent as a secular gay person. There can be no reconciliation between the orthodox Christian faith and homosexual relations. From the standpoint of the former, you are ever regarded as a sinner in need of repentance. This is what you will hear 99 percent of the time from orthodox preachers.

Yes, I know that the more liberal Protestant denominations have softened their stance, but they are, either openly or tacitly, tossing the offending Biblical passages onto the fire. They are, in effect, saying that we moderns must judge as to what there is in the Bible that is worthwhile, keeping the many social justice passages and junking the harsh judgmental passages on homosexual and many other activities. This course has the honesty of admitting that there are clearly anti-gay teachings in the Bible, and instead of trying to "interpret" them away, comes right out and says that they are wrong and must be disregarded. Of course, once we set ourselves up as judge of the ancient doctrines (and all old, traditional religions run into this issue) we are no longer classifiable as adherents to the faith as received from the "fathers." It is best to openly declare this rather than to craft a forced exegesis in a vain attempt to make the "nasty" stuff go away.

At least this is the conclusion that I have come to after studying the matter at some length. I seriously followed the Protestant religion in my youth, even to the point of enrolling in seminary. It was my study of philosophy (in which I eventually got my Ph.D.) that turned me away from the former.

Hail Satan, and FUCK your false dead god!