[icheerthebull]

Originally Posted by RobMoses ↗

Hamas is lobbing missles at Isreal, 1000's for that matter. Palestinians are making tunnels to enter Israel and kill whomever they can. I have zero sympathy for anyone in that region. If you want to fight, fight. Don't use propaganda with guns and bombs on your children. These people grow up hating Jews. The UN should let them go all out once and for all and finish this.

You really believe they even have the capabilities to make thousands of quassam rockets?

[giovanni0359]

Originally Posted by Fr33dom ↗

Unfortunately till today it was not proven that hamas or whomever was involved in this. And if so, it is a crime ! Who the fuck is so sick, beneath the US and israel, to start a war against a whole "country" (occupied) for 3 deaths ?
Normaly police investigate and you get someone to a court, Finish. But Israel wants again to proceed its ethnic massacre on palestines, because they are racists, and because they want to steal even more land. Israel was and will never be interested in a peacefull 2 state solution, because this would have them to give land back to the palestinians. So they will keep massacring them, untill somebody nukes Israel, or the people in Israel stand up for human rights, in fact there is apartheid, there are a lot of laws against arabs, only for jews, there are very much areas where arabs are not allowed to go, even if they are jewish arabs, there are streets in which israelis walk and beside them streets for palestinians. There are buses that are not usable by muslims, there are walls everywhere, Israel is able to shut down electricity whenever they want and they do it, most time palestinians only have 3-4 hours a day electricity. There is no source of clean water, palestinians are not allowed to fish, and so on and on. This is pure racism and hatred, against a population that did nothing to israel ( at least no serious harm).
So in conclusion, someday im sure in 10-20 years, our childs will ask us where we were when all this massacres happened against a innocent, inprisoned population, whom only wrong is that they are muslims. And we will answer in the same way like after the 2nd world war ?

Terrific post !!

[AEK_ATHENS_GR]

Hitler was soooo right

[RobMoses]

Originally Posted by icheerthebull ↗

You really believe they even have the capabilities to make thousands of quassam rockets?

Yes I do...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2014

I am not exhausting enegy discussing a winless debate about the middle east conflict. Both sides are at fault and both sides do wrong. But I do not see Israel randomly firing rockets into Gaza or the West Bank. I don't see Israel strapping bombs on their children and filming them training to kill. Like I said in an earlier post, let them fight it out once and for all.

[Avivz]

Originally Posted by jordano2222 ↗

Those "1000`s of missiles" are actually ineffective rockets with a very short range and have only killed ONE person is the past decade and no one before. Those rockets all fall in the open desert, just ONE has made it to the very outskirts of Tel Aviv but didn`t even injure anyone. And yes, there are the tunnels you speak of, however, no one has ever been killed because of these tunnels. So I don`t know where you get the idea that "they kill whomever they can" from. I blame Israel for this conflict. They are causing unnecessary pain and suffering and death by bombing hospitals, schools and homes and killing many, many children. I have NO SYMPATHY for Israel. Hamas is not a major power like Israel, and he has very limited weapons and military clout, whereas Israel is a major world power. Educate yourself before you spout off nonsense.

Those "ineffective rockets" you're talking about have a very large range and can cause great damage. Israel had come up with a successful defence system which intercepts most of them, though not all of them. secondly, Hamas and other terrorists at the Gaza strip have dug up countless tunnels which lead to settlements, for the sole purpose of killing whoever on their path (Just 2 days ago on July 20th, 13 Israeli soldiers were killed by an RPG shot from terrorists flanking them from a "harmless tunnel". 2 years ago, an entire family was slaughtered, including 2 infants and 2 toddlers, by terrorists infiltrated the border from another "harmless tunnel"). Hamas is stacking up piles of rockets and explosives at schools, hospitals, homes and other populated areas. They don't give a rat's ass about the death of civilians, in fact the more dead and wounded the better. Before each strike, the IDF makes sure there are no civilians in the crossfire, and not a single bullet is fire beforehand. Hamas is making the civilians stay at their homes so the dead count would rise. And lastly, if terrorists fire rockets for over a decade on Israel, targeting public places in order to take as many lives as possible, and only some of them actually killing people should Israel do nothing?! This is bullshit, and your hypocrite ass knows it as well. Israel has every right to defend itself, so before you open YOUR uneducated pie hole, do some research!

[icheerthebull]

Originally Posted by RobMoses ↗

Yes I do...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_Israel,_2014

I am not exhausting enegy discussing a winless debate about the middle east conflict. Both sides are at fault and both sides do wrong. But I do not see Israel randomly firing rockets into Gaza or the West Bank. I don't see Israel strapping bombs on their children and filming them training to kill. Like I said in an earlier post, let them fight it out once and for all.

The source for that is the ISA if you click, the same ISA who reported there was a former Provo in Palestine sniping soldiers and you may not see it but the rest of the entire planet can see Israel fire rockets into civilian areas, in fact the most densely populated areas in the world.

You also conveniently forget Israel tying kids to the front of their trucks during the last attack. The UN themselves called it a war crime

[RobMoses]

The same kids who have bombs strapped to them, and guns in their pockets. Like I said before, they are both doing wrong, but the only way this ends is to let them fight it out, all out. No more of this he said, she said bullcrap. Civilians will always be the most effected. No one complains about all the civilians that died during the carpet bombings on Berlin or the Atom Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you know why? Because it ended the war. This 50+ year conflict needs to end.

[shauns26]

If you believe that, then you are either really stupid or else you believe some pro-Israeli propaganda. No, actually, you must just be really fucking stupid.

Originally Posted by bearjew11 ↗

someone needs to read up and learn on how the israeli defense forces fight.
they're not even allowed to fire at an enemy who is firing at them without authorization that civilians are not in the area. that's a damn shame. I would want to kill whoever is firing at me, and whoever the fuck is around those bastards.

[Smitju]

Both the IDF as Hamas are terrorist organisations.

I'd just throw a nuke on that region.

[shauns26]

Quite an accurate description of the conflict and its history, but still very pro-Israeli. I have no love for fanatical Muslims, but similarly I have no love for fanatical Jews. Israel wasn't created out of thin air. The Jews had been buying up pieces of Palestine in the early 20th century. To base their homeland in the middle of the Arab world, displacing hundreds of thousands of people, is just downright belligerent. Without the backing of the US, Israel would've been wiped out years ago, and the majority of Jews would be living where they live now. In the US, in Europe, in places where they can thrive and flourish. The people of Israel, unfortunately, have a similarly third-world mentality to their neighbours in the Middle East, whilst at the same down possessing first-world weaponry.

Originally Posted by fapfapfap ↗

Here's the history lesson nobody gives you because everybody gives you a one-sided, propaganda based view:

After about 1000 year cycle of Jews getting hated on and expelled from most of Europe (whether they deserved it or if they were wrongly persecuted is a pretty awesome debate to have), Hitler attempted to finally get rid of them once and for all.

He gave it his all but came up short. In response (Post WWII), the world decided to create a country out of thin air to re-patriate Jews back to their holy land (one that they themselves took by force by beheading lots of Caananites, because God told them to and all, and one which they hadn't really had any control over in a long, long time).

This creation of a country out of thin air was pretty much unprecedented in human history, but because Jew influence was so strong in the west, particularly in the U.S., it happened anyway.

This caused all of the surrounding arab states to declare that they were going to wipe out Israel, and instructed the local arabs to evacuate. Unfortunately for them, Israel whipped their ass, and a bazillion refugees have basically been refugees since.

While whipping Arab ass, Israel occupied the Golan Heights (Syrian), Gaza (Egyptian), and the West Bank (Jordanian). Since, those three lands have been contentious. Israel has been reluctant to hand them back, as they are/were strategically important.

At some point over the decades, the peoples in those contentious areas began to transform their identity from what they really are (refugees from the arab-israeli war), into self-identifying as an ethnic group, the "Palestinians", and have been selling the notion that they are a poor oppressed local peoples who have been there for thousands of years.

They've claimed all kinds of bullshit like they're descendants of the phillistines, etc. The reality is that ethnically, most of them are either recent refugees, or hills people from the Syrian highlands who were brought in in the late 19th century to work on the diamond mines for, you guessed it, Jew financiers in the U.K. (there's your ironic twist).

Eventually (in the 90s), Israel attempted to give Gaza they're self-governing independence under the Palestinian Authority. The problem is that the arab world, and those in the Palestinian territories, have never given up the goal of annihilating Israel, even though they've done a decent job of making people in the west believe it.

Thus, Israel is constantly being pressured (by the west) to accept "cease fires" and "peace deals" that the palestinians have no real desire to stick to for any length of time.

After Gaza was given their independence, they responded by organizing for a few years and then waging war on Israel, under the PLO and boy-raping leader Yassir Arafat.

The leadership of the PLO eventually became Fatah, one faction of palestinian leadership. Meanwhile, an even more radical offshoot of the muslim brotherhood formed, called Hamas.

Hamas seized control of Gaza several years ago after an lol-rigged election, and Gaza has basically been fucked since. One problem is that Hamas leadership is so bad, that even when they want to leave Israel alone, plenty of people don't, and they end up pissing Israel off anyway.

Slowly, Arab countries have gotten sick of the Palestinians, and have backed away from the "we need to destroy israel" line, and many now wish the Palestinians would settle down.

One problem is that Egypt wants no part of trying to govern Gaza, and the Jordanians want no part in trying to govern the West Bank. Thus, the cleanest solution, which would be to have Egypt re-absorb Gaza, Jordan re-absorb the West Bank, and Syria re-absorb the Golan Heights, will not happen as long as A) those countries don't want to deal with absorbing them, and B) The Palestinians refuse to give up on the thought of eradicating Israel.

Thus, you have the current situation which is periodic flare-ups where the Israelis get sick of getting attacked, and do some military operations outside of Israel to try and fix the problem. The whole world has its mind made up about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, so everytime it happens everyone already has their mind made up about who's right and wrong.

Unfortunately, nothing is ever that black and white, and the reality is that everyone is at least partially full of shit.

I have no idea why I bothered to type all of that out, but seeing someone post an honest request for info in the middle of all of the stupid "OMG FUCK ISRAEL" and "OMG FUCK THE HAMAS TERRORISTS" posts inspired me I guess.

I know you said short and sweet but honestly, that's as short and sweet as I can make it and still explain the situation to someone. Sorry, hope it didn't bore you.