[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

I retract my former statements. You are neither as intelligent nor as fastidious as I credited you for.

The small measure of respect I held for you is rapidly diminishing. Which I understand doesn't mean shit to you.

But your statement was ridiculous and spurious. Either because you are having comprehension issues or just because you're an asshole.

I defy you to show me one single instance where I stated I was banning people for personal attacks.

I just don't know how I'm going to live without Vedderman's approval and respect

[wolfie]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

Yeah they are ignoring that part on purpose because it ruins their narrative and interrupts their bootlicking.

That quote you copied was inaccurate. They do have police authority. Research for Christ Sakes.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I just don't know how I'm going to live without Vedderman's approval and respect

Still waiting for you to put up.

Or are you too fucking insecure and arrogant to admit that you're wrong?

Predictable, I suppose.

[Vincentsdream]

Originally Posted by wolfie ↗

That quote you copied was inaccurate. They do have police authority. Research for Christ Sakes.

Oh you're a full retard. We've already been over this. Take your own advice.

[Vincentsdream]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I just don't know how I'm going to live without Vedderman's approval and respect

I liked the part where you backed up your claims...oh wait.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by GoreGirl89 ↗

Idk hoe people are calling it a lawful order. ICE agents can't arrest US citizens and only have authority to detain a citizen if they can't prove citizenship. She's in a registered fucking car.

There's no way they thought she was possibly an illegal immigrant. They had zero right to demand her out of the car.

ICE are federal agents, they can indeed arrest US citizens if they are impeding an investigation or committing other felonies in their presence. I'm not sure why it's being circulated that ICE can't touch US citizens for any reason, that is definitely not true.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Still waiting for you to put up.

Or are you too fucking insecure and arrogant to admit that you're wrong?

Predictable, I suppose.

I was expecting you to know I was messing with you. I guess I should have made that more clear. Lighten up Francis

[wolfie]

Try to comprehend this. It has been posted before and other people have advised to this. But go ahead and fuck with them. Have one of your buddies -post it on this site for all our education.

2. Criminal Law Enforcement Authority (Broad Authority)
ICE agents—specifically those in the Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) division—are sworn federal law enforcement officers (Series 1811). In this capacity, they do have authority over U.S. citizens:

Criminal Offenses: HSI special agents can arrest U.S. citizens for violations of federal laws, including human trafficking, narcotics smuggling, cybercrime, and financial fraud.
Obstruction and Assault: ICE agents can arrest anyone, including citizens, who interferes with their duties, assaults an officer, or commits a federal crime in their presence.
Warrant Execution: When executing a judicial criminal warrant signed by a judge, ICE has the same entry and arrest powers as the FBI or DEA.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

ICE are federal agents, they can indeed arrest US citizens if they are impeding an investigation or committing other felonies in their presence. I'm not sure why it's being circulated that ICE can't touch US citizens for any reason, that is definitely not true.

We went over this. It's because it is not a part of their specific mandate. And their specific mandate is easy to find when researching ICE and a couple of lines of code for Federal Law Enforcement are less easily accessible if you are specifically looking for info on ICE.

Arresting US citizens is not part of their job. It is not intended to be part of their daily routine. It is not what they are specifically trained for.

As you addressed yesterday, they have the same broad authority as any Federal Law Enforcement Officer in that they are able to detain or make arrests for FEDERAL crimes, which includes Obstruction if it interferes directly with the duty they are conducting.

Their power is nowhere near unlimited. There are MANY crimes that they are legally powerless to enforce. They cannot, for example, use their 'authority' to arrest you for shoplifting. Or drinking in public, or punching a guy in a bar fight.

If Renee Good blocking part of a traffic lane (even though the video CLEARLY shows that other full-sized vehicles were getting through in front of her and she can clearly be seen in the video waving one of the ICE vehicles to go around her) was SO EFFECTIVE at preventing ICE from doing the specific 'arrest' they were allegedly conducting that her blocking part of a lane constituted Federal Obstruction of Justice, then they were within their legal authority to disperse or detain her.

I think that'll get shredded in court, tbh. There is abundant evidence that they were physically able to move past her and conduct their business further along. That's not for me to say. You can bet the Prosecutor will bring it up, though.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I was expecting you to know I was messing with you. I guess I should have made that more clear. Lighten up Francis

Roughly 50% of this thread consists of posters specifically addressing, attacking, quoting, or ardently disagreeing with me. You and I have spoken to one another fewer than three times prior to his thread, where we have principally argued. Why would I possibly assume your default position was some sort of good natured sarcasm? We have no social precedent for that.