[robot]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

Those are Americans, exercising their rights, which are also YOUR rights.

Be careful what you wish for.

Time, place and manner. They have rights. But they do not have rights to interfere in a police action or recklessly create a situation that escalated like that. Look at the news and how they show the video. With no sound it looked like the victim was trying to merge into traffic from an intersection. With sound and full video you see an already chaotic scene of people yelling at a street full of agents' vehicles and the red suv leaving a parking space. We do not know what happened but we do know the federal government and state government are at odds with each other on ICE enforcing current laws - the same laws they were enforcing under Obama.... whatever, i never follow the pack.

[robot]

Originally Posted by DavidAaronGarcia ↗

The victim has been identified by a U.S. official as 37-year-old Renee Good. According to two federal sources, she was a U.S. citizen. City leaders said she was a legal observer of federal actions in the city and wasn't a target for an ICE-related arrest.

Thanks for posting that. That was the worst civilian police/law enforcement monitoring I've ever seen. And I've been trained to do it properly.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by robot ↗

Time, place and manner. They have rights. But they do not have rights to interfere in a police action or recklessly create a situation that escalated like that. Look at the news and how they show the video. With no sound it looked like the victim was trying to merge into traffic from an intersection. With sound and full video you see an already chaotic scene of people yelling at a street full of agents' vehicles and the red suv leaving a parking space. We do not know what happened but we do know the federal government and state government are at odds with each other on ICE enforcing current laws - the same laws they were enforcing under Obama.... whatever, i never follow the pack.

What I'm referring to is YOUR desire for the other people here, who were protesting at a distance, to be harmed. This is what YOU said:

Originally Posted by tehguy ↗

Too bad none of the other "protestors" caught a stray

It has nothing to do with these events. This is something that YOU wish had happened.

Take a moment to reflect on that, and again, these are your countrymen, exercising what little rights we have while we still have them.

[foxfantastic]

Well, you didnt say it, it was someone else, but my point stands.

[mr_feelgood]

That's what she gets. Lmao

[WonderMomma]

Speaking purely as a human being here, this is fucking disturbing. Not just the incident, but the reactions in this thread.

Yes, this is a gore site. We watch death here. We joke, we dissect footage, we cope in dark ways. That has always been part of the culture.

But I am seeing a disturbing theme that is only intensifying as the world gets more chaotic.

This is death being turned into a team sport. A woman died, and people are celebrating it as if someone “won.” What scares me most is how normal that now feels. Not just here, but everywhere. In the media we consume, the arguments we repeat, the way we talk about strangers. We are learning to do this to each other, and it is working far too well.

A woman is dead. A human being. And within moments she stopped being one. She became a prop, a symbol, a justification. Something to argue over. Something to cheer.

That should stop all of us cold.

What bothers me even more is how fast labels replace thinking. Once a label is applied, people stop looking at what actually happened. Labels do the thinking for you. They make cruelty easy. They make certainty feel righteous.

Now look at the video, honestly. Chaos. Masked individuals in tactical gear. A car being rushed. Shouting. Hands on the door. Panic in a residential street. In moments like that, the human brain does not calmly analyze law or precedent. It goes straight to fight or flight. People try to get away.

That reaction is not explainable by ideology, politics, sexual orientation, or any other label you want to slap on it. It is basic human biology, and it cuts both ways. A civilian panicked and tried to flee. An officer, also under stress, responded with lethal force. Once panic meets a weapon, there is no undoing the outcome.

There are already official stories pointing in opposite directions. Federal authorities say self-defense. City leadership disputes that after seeing the footage. Investigations are underway. Those are facts. What is not a fact is the absolute confidence some people are performing.

Celebrating a death. Wishing more people were shot. Calling this a lesson. That is moral decay. That is how brutality becomes acceptable. Today it is a stranger in Minneapolis. Tomorrow it is someone you know, caught in fear, confusion, and a moment that cannot be taken back.

Argue policy. Argue authority. Argue tactics and accountability. That is fair.

But stop letting labels replace your humanity. Once that switch flips, anyone becomes disposable.

[Bigred512]

Originally Posted by akham ↗

The fact that her front wheels were turned to the right and the vehicle turned to the right such that it was not going to run him over is going to make proving the necessity of shooting quite difficult I think.

Right, because being in front of a vehicle leads you to automatically fix your eyes on the wheels and not the person/rest of the car. Hindsight is 20/20.

Originally Posted by akham ↗

There are examples where officers have been charged without proof of "premeditation" so I don't think your opinion is consistent with known facts.

As I've said, they could charge the guy to send a message but I doubt it'll stick.
Here's an example of a successful prosecution, note the main reason why self defense/stand your ground didn't work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Garrett_Foster

Originally Posted by akham ↗

You mean there's plenty of fine people on both sites?

Yes, like yourself. You're obviously arguing in bad faith so when they inevitably fail to pursue charges I'll leave you to eat your crow. Don't hate the players, hate the game.

[TSoprano007]

Originally Posted by cannonreload ↗

So, you didn't watch the video, huh kid?

I served 25 years and if this is what you voted for we need to send you to Russia or North Korea to suck Dictator Cock.
You are Way Fucked up in your thinking that Trump's Gestapo can Murder Americans at will.

Pull your head out of your ass, enlist in the Army and go to where the bullets are flying and then stand there and repeat the Trump pus filled shit you just vomited here on this site.

From a US ARMY CW5 Veteran

[LivingLife]

Originally Posted by jedwards9922 ↗

You are a pathetic excuse for a living being. You regurgitate this garbage "FAFO" because you see it on the white house page. Not an original thought in that peanut size brain of yours. "Taking America Back?" You're not taking anything. Just another uneducated bootlicking tard, glued to fox news, that doesn't have a critical thinking cell in his body. You people are a cancer

Yes the bottom portion is ignorant spew. But the top portion,from a critical thinking standpoint , were all simple ways the victim could have avoided this unfortunate incident. People are speaking here and responding with emotion not logic or common sense.

[MeMyselfandI]

So happy to see people have learned their lesson since the Charlie Kirk thread