Guy Dives Under Wheels of Passing Truck

[kellyhound]

[William May]

Lucky there is a video, so they know the truck driver was not at fault.

[Brainplague]

I feel badly for the truck driver & the folks that saw this. I hate when suicidal people involve others when they kill themselves.

Since it's an act that is all about them, they should keep it that way.

[HYPRTCKR]

~ Just strolling along like the song, then rolling a-long under the truck like a dung

[TypeOnegative]

Originally Posted by Brainplague

I feel badly for the truck driver & the folks that saw this. I hate when suicidal people involve others when they kill themselves.

Since it's an act that is all about them, they should keep it that way.

Common misconception. There are two reasons people end their own lives. One is to kill themselves and the other is to kill everyone else. It’s a bit of a solipsistic conundrum, but if you consider it from the perspective of the person committing suicide both results happen in equal measure.

To attempt to put it in understandable terms, to the suicidal person all of our existence is merely an effect of their own perception. By destroying their own perception (ie dying) they kill all of us. Suicide in this case is more akin to mass murder than merely “I don’t want to live anymore”

A good example of this are Harris and Klebold, the Columbine shooters. They both kept very detailed journals in which its clear that Harris wanted the world to burn and considered his murder/suicide pact with Klebold to be how he would kill everyone. He saw us as figments of his imagination and that killing others and then himself would result in the death of reality… Klebold, on the other hand, was angry and depressed and really just wanted to die. He didn’t care that they were killing others, he was just going along with his friend before ultimately killing himself. Had it not been for Harris, Klebold would have likely used a rope or jumped under a truck himself. He just wanted to end his own pain. In fact, the most frequently used word in his journal was “love” and he was very concerned about how what they planned would impact his mother. His mother Susan Klebold, in “A Mother’s Reckoning” believes that her son’s depression was taken advantage of by the sociopathic Eric Harris. But the point is, they both were suicidal but were not both committing suicide for the same reasons. One meant to kill himself and the other meant to kill everyone else.

The reality of suicide is that both scenarios are true.

So this person diving under the wheels might not have been doing it to kill himself. He might have been doing it because from his perspective it was killing everyone else. Suicide is murder.

[William May]

Originally Posted by TypeOnegative

Common misconception. There are two reasons people end their own lives. One is to kill themselves and the other is to kill everyone else. It’s a bit of a solipsistic conundrum, but if you consider it from the perspective of the person committing suicide both results happen in equal measure.

To attempt to put it in understandable terms, to the suicidal person all of our existence is merely an effect of their own perception. By destroying their own perception (ie dying) they kill all of us. Suicide in this case is more akin to mass murder than merely “I don’t want to live anymore”

A good example of this are Harris and Klebold, the Columbine shooters. They both kept very detailed journals in which its clear that Harris wanted the world to burn and considered his murder/suicide pact with Klebold to be how he would kill everyone. He saw us as figments of his imagination and that killing others and then himself would result in the death of reality… Klebold, on the other hand, was angry and depressed and really just wanted to die. He didn’t care that they were killing others, he was just going along with his friend before ultimately killing himself. Had it not been for Harris, Klebold would have likely used a rope or jumped under a truck himself. He just wanted to end his own pain. In fact, the most frequently used word in his journal was “love” and he was very concerned about how what they planned would impact his mother. His mother Susan Klebold, in “A Mother’s Reckoning” believes that her son’s depression was taken advantage of by the sociopathic Eric Harris. But the point is, they both were suicidal but were not both committing suicide for the same reasons. One meant to kill himself and the other meant to kill everyone else.

The reality of suicide is that both scenarios are true.

So this person diving under the wheels might not have been doing it to kill himself. He might have been doing it because from his perspective it was killing everyone else. Suicide is murder.

Then again, maybe he was just a fucked-up asshole, who should have gone into the forest and hung himself, thus doing what he wanted, without involving anyone else in the useless drama. Just my opinion. Others may vary.

[Brainplague]

Originally Posted by TypeOnegative

Common misconception. There are two reasons people end their own lives. One is to kill themselves and the other is to kill everyone else. It’s a bit of a solipsistic conundrum, but if you consider it from the perspective of the person committing suicide both results happen in equal measure.

To attempt to put it in understandable terms, to the suicidal person all of our existence is merely an effect of their own perception. By destroying their own perception (ie dying) they kill all of us. Suicide in this case is more akin to mass murder than merely “I don’t want to live anymore”

A good example of this are Harris and Klebold, the Columbine shooters. They both kept very detailed journals in which its clear that Harris wanted the world to burn and considered his murder/suicide pact with Klebold to be how he would kill everyone. He saw us as figments of his imagination and that killing others and then himself would result in the death of reality… Klebold, on the other hand, was angry and depressed and really just wanted to die. He didn’t care that they were killing others, he was just going along with his friend before ultimately killing himself. Had it not been for Harris, Klebold would have likely used a rope or jumped under a truck himself. He just wanted to end his own pain. In fact, the most frequently used word in his journal was “love” and he was very concerned about how what they planned would impact his mother. His mother Susan Klebold, in “A Mother’s Reckoning” believes that her son’s depression was taken advantage of by the sociopathic Eric Harris. But the point is, they both were suicidal but were not both committing suicide for the same reasons. One meant to kill himself and the other meant to kill everyone else.

The reality of suicide is that both scenarios are true.

So this person diving under the wheels might not have been doing it to kill himself. He might have been doing it because from his perspective it was killing everyone else. Suicide is murder.

Um...Ok...being a suicide survivor myself I can tell you that I just wanted to stop the years of pain brought on by my severe mental illness. That is selfish by my definition.

You are much too deep a thinker for my little pea brain.

[TypeOnegative]

Originally Posted by William May

Then again, maybe he was just a fucked-up asshole, who should have gone into the forest and hung himself, thus doing what he wanted, without involving anyone else in the useless drama. Just my opinion. Others may vary.

He could have been and maybe should have been. But he wasn’t… because he had a friend who wanted to kill the world. His parents ignored a landslide of red flags. To this day, based on Susan Klebold’s own memoir, his mother denies there were any signs that he would do what he did… in spite of a book that is subsequently FILLED page after page with signs that Dylan needed more psychological care than he got. Most of the care he got was from Eric Harris. You can watch most of their home videos fairly easily these days and see for yourself. My personal opinion based on what I know of the two boys, from their writing and videos, is that Eric was a sociopath who dreamed of killing as many people as he could. He wanted to kill people and made best friends with someone who wanted to die. Dylan was sad, lanky, awkward, and unpopular. He felt hated and isolated at school. Eric was charismatic and encouraged Dylan’s depression, focusing it on others. Dylan told people who had been nice to him not to go to school on 4/20/1999. He left that day with a plan that would end in his own death. Eric, by contrast, left that day with a plan to end everyone else’s. They both succeeded.

Your opinion is valid. He should have done that. I think it’s just worth noting that an emotionless sociopath like Eric mixing with a depressed empath like Dylan is what made that deadly concoction. Maybe Dylan wasn’t as much an empath as I’ve given him credit for… maybe he was just a shit-stain. Hard to say. Since he’s dead and all.

[TypeOnegative]

Originally Posted by Brainplague

Um...Ok...being a suicide survivor myself I can tell you that I just wanted to stop the years of pain brought on by my severe mental illness. That is selfish by my definition.

You are much too deep a thinker for my little pea brain.

I don’t think that is “selfish”. There’s solid evidence that many attempted suicides are to end chronic pain of some sort, be it mental illness or physical pain. Mental illness isn’t something that’s always diagnosed or so easily controlled. I know this from experience, as well. Even if you know that you have a problem, such as not taking care of your hunger or hygiene needs or behaving in an irrational way when confronted by emotional stimulus, doesn’t make it any easier to control. Not anymore than knowing you have a broken arm makes it any less broken. The fact that suicide can be brought on by chemical imbalances in our own brains, even if those chemicals are introduced pharmaceutically, takes the “selfish” component out of it.

We all have different levels of resilience. Dealing with “years of pain” is a commendable reflection of your own resilience. There are people who snap after a single bad day, let alone years worth of bad days.

When people tell me that suicide is selfish or when they talk about mental illness as if it’s something that can only happen to a select few of us, I am reminded of Lisa Nowak.

Lisa Nowak grew up wanting to be an astronaut. When she went to Naval Academy in the 1980s only 6 percent of the school population were female. She was the only female in the postgraduate masters program to become an astronaut. She was a commander in the US Navy and went to NASA in 1995 where she was narrowed down from thousands of candidates to 150 finalists to 10 pilot candidates to lead missions in space. She became a mother of twins the same year her former class members and colleagues died on the space shuttle Columbia. She overcame great diversity and had to deal with legal battles after getting caught up in an extramarital affair. She was scheduled to lead her own mission to the moon and then NASA funding fell short and her historical accomplishment was stripped before she had the opportunity to take it. If you went over all of her accomplishments and all of the trials she had to overcome in order to be a certified rocket scientist, female astronaut, commander, pilot, leader of her own missions into space, first woman to be scheduled to command a landing on the moon (before having it taken from her), mother, naval commander, etc… you would be a fool to say she was anything but one super resilient mother.

Then in 2007 the event she is most known for: a man she had perceived to be in an online relationship with in Florida told her that he was seeing someone else. Lisa Nowak put on a space diaper, got in her car, drove from Texas to Florida, pulled into an airport parking lot, found her “ex’s girlfriend” sitting in a car, she went knocked on the window and pepper sprayed her when she cracked the window. Her victim rolled the window up, called for help, and Lisa Nowak was arrested, still wearing a space diaper.

Everyone laughed. The news played it over and over. How could a woman with so many achievements have her ultimate plan foiled by rolling up the window of a car.

Because even the most resilient of us have a snapping point. It isn’t about being selfish. It’s simply that you can’t carry the world. If Lisa Nowak couldn’t carry it, with how damn resilient and powerful she was, then none of us can.

I try not to think of people as good or bad, fixed or broken, rather we are all in different stages of malleability. It’s no more selfish to take your life than to refuse to. You aren’t some loser than had a moment of failure. You’re a person who was forced to carry more than what you reasonably could. Mentally, physically, doesn’t matter. It all adds up. Some of us can go through more hell than others. It sounds like you went through a lot of it. Be proud of yourself for overcoming and being here to share your story and your disagreements. And don’t be overburdened with the thought that you are anything less than what you should be. Or that you were meant to be anything more than you are. Be like Lisa Nowak. Her story didn’t end in that Florida airport. It could have. But it didn’t. She works in the private sector in Texas and is still writing her story to this day.

To me, she’s just a reminder that I’m not alone when I feel overburdened. And I’m able to forgive myself for my own stupid driving cross-country in a diaper moments.

Be well, survivor.

[pokerplay]

We cannot tear out a single page of our life, but we can throw the whole book in the fire - Mauprat