[niknik]

If leftist would just imagine, that in this conflict everything is exactly the same except 1 thing. Instead of being Muslim and shouting Ala Akbar. They are Christians yelling Jesus is the Savior.

Boom, your entire view has switched.

[Killgaad]

Originally Posted by FuManBoobs ↗

This is why aliens would never come here. We'll look like a mental planet from outside.

You're assuming that aliens must necessarily be less fucked up than we are.

That may not be the case.

In fact, they could be worse—it's just that they haven't found us yet.

[Killgaad]

Originally Posted by dan1eljacks0n ↗

Hamas: If I throw a rock at this bear, it won't hurt the bear at all but it will definitely piss it off and get my friends killed
Hamas: *throws rock*
Bear: *gets pissed off and mauls someone*
Hamas: WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING THIS TO US
World: FUCKING BEARS

Your analogy is fellacious [sic], because bears have thick fur all over, while Jews are hairy only in certain places.

On a serious note, your analogy is flawed because, unlike bears or any other predatory wild animal, Israelis (as supposed humans) are presumed to be able to exercise self-control and have a conscience—but evidently they possess neither.

[Kaboom]

Launching 3000 rockets in to Israel got those Gaza children killed.

[Killgaad]

Originally Posted by Kaboom ↗

Launching 3000 rockets in to Israel got those Gaza children killed.

Not true.

It was Jewish rockets and artillery, made in America, and loaded by Jewish hands, that killed all those Palestinian children.

Comparatively speaking, the rockets lobbed into Israel by Hamas are always relatively harmless—while the Jewish state's response is utterly vindictive and hugely disproportionate, when tallied against their negligible losses.

You can't blame the Palestinians from fighting back against oppression and genocide, because they have been under an economic blockade and practically pushed with their backs against the sea—all the while being systematically ethnically cleansed and removed from their ancestral homes—for decades.

The heavy-handed Israeli response rises to the level of heinous war crimes and despicable atrocities, condemned by the UN and the world—particularly because of the large numbers of Palestinian children murdered, along with innumerable families, innocent lives and homes destroyed.

Israel is an occupying, illegitimate apartheid state engaged in the ever-accelerating, never-ceasing, genocidal, methodical ethnic cleansing and demographic displacement of the Palestinian people.


Get your head out of the controlled media's stinking sphincter.

It stinks in there.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Killgaad ↗

Not true.

It was Jewish rockets and artillery, made in America, and loaded by Jewish hands, that killed all those Palestinian children.

Comparatively speaking, the rockets lobbed into Israel by Hamas are always relatively harmless—while the Jewish state's response is utterly vindictive and hugely disproportionate, when tallied against their negligible losses.

You can't blame the Palestinians from fighting back against oppression and genocide, because they have been under an economic blockade and practically pushed with their backs against the sea—all the while being systematically ethnically cleansed and removed from their ancestral homes—for decades.

The heavy-handed Israeli response rises to the level of heinous war crimes and despicable atrocities, condemned by the UN and the world—particularly because of the large numbers of Palestinian children murdered, along with innumerable families, innocent lives and homes destroyed.

Israel is an occupying, illegitimate apartheid state engaged in the ever-accelerating, never-ceasing, genocidal, methodical ethnic cleansing and demographic displacement of the Palestinian people.


Get your head out of the controlled media's stinking sphincter.

It stinks in there.

. Unbelievable. Comparably speaking, if a group of psychotic murders took up positions a mile from your home with your entire family, friends, children ect in your home. And they had hundreds of rifles firing towards your home day and night.

And the psychotic murders had their families with them. So you built a bunch of barriers and ways to try and protect you people. But, this means you can never go outside without taking a huge risk. And, sometimes their bullets still manage to get through and periodically kill members of your family.

And your position to your family is, I'm not going to do anything about it, because it would be mean and disproportionate.

That's truly insane of you. Israel is not occupying anything. Jews were living in that territory before Islam was even a twinkle in Mohameds great great great great great great great grandfather's balls. The culture and many ancestors of Israel have ties to that land more than 2000 years ago. And many who were taken as slaves by the Roman's who were forced to build the Coliseum, and enslaved by many other conquers over the centuries.

That land is the birth place of their religion, their culture, their people. And over a thousand years later the Muslims conquer it and now we're all supposed to act dumb as they claim it as Islamic holy land?

Israel is a tiny little sliver of the massive region dominated by Islam.

One could say, it would be no different than if America decided those tiny little Indian reservations are occupying our land. But the truth is they were here first.

The facts are pretty simple. Israel wouldn't attack anyone if they just let Israel be. It's unrealistic, garbage propaganda, and ignorant as fuck to think about country putting up with what Israel puts up with. Should just do nothing because their enemies purposely use civilians as cover. They set up their rockets launchers at apartment complexes, hospitals, schools.

And Israel goes to great lengths to not kill civilians. Like giving warning to people of airstikes. But what can you do when the cowards trying to kill you want you to kill their children?

I notice you have no harsh words for the vile scum that want that, who have people nearby with video equipment who job is to come running. Not to help anyone, but to record snd dead women or children. And not as they find them, but to stage the scene first.

You're such a tool to buy their bullshit.

[niknik]

The Jews founded Israel, a empty space, approximately 1000 BC. They left Egypt around 1300 BC, migrated for approximately 300 years and eventually founded the Kingdom of David .

Many cities in Israel today, were founded and created by Israelis. And about 300 years after the creation of Israel in 722 BC Israel was invaded by Syrians. And in 586 BC Israel is invaded again by the Babylonians and forces into slavery in Babylon. And the destroy The First Temple.

In 515 BC the Jews migrate back to Israel. And build the Second Temple. And then in 63 BC the Roman's take over Israel. Until 70 AD when Jerusalem is destroyed in the revolt against the Roman's. And the Second temple is destroyed as well. But Rome held its occupation of Israel.

Then in approximately 130 AD there is a revolt within Israel against Rome and a particular general. This revolt was very damaging and hard fought, and made the Roman Emperor extremely pissed off at the Jews. So the territory was named Palestine after Rome gets control back. As an insult to the Jews of Israel.

So this bs "occupying Palestine" is garbage. Palestine was just a name given to the already established Kingdom Of Israel, as an insult to the Jews for fighting back against the Roman occupation and mistreatment.

Palestine is nothing more than an Emperor from a far away land just making a decision to change the name of Israel because he was angry. And since Rome basically ruled most of the known world. It stuck. If you study Roman history, you'd see this kind of thing isn't unusual.

But again, Palestine in reality is not even a real country. And only meant as an insult to Israel. It would be kinda similar to America calling Iraq NEW Colorado when America was occupying Iraq. And it sticking and Eventually America leaves and all the people from Kuwait and Jordan ect move into New Colorado during the occupation. And eventually over centuries force out all the Jews.

If centuries later the ancestors of Iraqis move back into New Colorado, and establish Iraq, and Bagdad as the capital. All they're doing is reestablishing what already was, that was taken from them by a people in a far away land, who just didn't like Iraqis. They are not occupying anything. They are reclaiming what was always theirs.

And in reality it's even worse than that.

But ever since then. There has never been a nation of Palestine. It was only a territory that changed hands in many wars over the centuries. From the Arabs to Crusaders till the Ottomans.

So you see, since the Nation of Israel, the only people to rule that area are conquering Empires from far away lands.

There's never been a nation of Palestine. And the Muslim rulers pushed all the Jews out by not allowing them to own land. Until after ww1. When Jews began to return. But previously to that, the Zionist movement began.

And in the beginning, the deal was that the Jews would also get Jordan, by Britain. As soon as the Jews began to return in numbers, the Arabs began slaughtering them. Keep in mind this is before recreation of Israel, this is them all living together in the British territory of Palestine and TranJordan. Because the Muslims didn't like Jews praying at the western wall.

So Britain forced Jews out of TranJordan to appease the Muslims. And call that area Jordan. And Jees would get small pockets of Palestine, that kept getting smaller as the Muslims would revolt and cause instability in the British territory.

By this time, things are getting very dire for Jews in Europe, because of the whole Hitler thing. As well as the Zionist movement to reestablish Israel.



Skipping alot of antisemitism. We get to the end of ww2. Where Britain relinquish control of the territory. And the UN decides Palestine will be an international territory.

And the Jews got a small area of the territory. Meanwhile being constantly attacked by the Arabs.

In 1948, the mandate ends and Israel declares its independence. To reestablish the Jewish homeland. And Israel announces all Arabs are welcome to become citizens and be Israeli. Immediately all Israel's neighbors declare war. And announce they will destroy all the Jews in the area.

But they lose. And Israel becomes a nation. Without many of what are called "disputed territories" today.

Then comes the 6 day war. Where nearly all the Muslim nations mobilize to destroy all of Israel and the Jews. Israel knew this was coming and attacks preemptively.

And takes more of the territory of Palestine in a miracle victory in just 6 days. A brand new nation, 30 years after the holocaust, spanks 4 nations who have it surrounded. And took control of much more territory. Which Israel gave back nearly all of it.

And because of the hostility and constant threats that continue today. Israel kept the territory taken vital to their defense. And also, was originally their land anyway.


So basically the Muslims come into the Jewish homeland, where all their holy sites are. And start to claim the Jewish holy sites are their holy sites.

Israel says, Muslims can still practice their religion, they can even visit and pray at these holy sites.

The Muslims say, ya, you're damn right we're going to . But, you Jews are not allowed to. The holy sites from your ancient kingdom that predates ours by more than a thousand years, are actually ours.

Israel has been the better people. Israel has conceded many many times. The Muslims have not. And the fact is, their is no Palestinian state. It's still just a territory being ruled and controlled by people in far away lands.

And it's these countries creating this conflict for purely religious reasons. Incredible people don't take the time to understand this.

What is Israel occupying? A nation called Israel, that Rome changed the name to Palestine when they considered it part of Rome? And then it was just a territory for centuries, changing hands to this empire to that empire.

So it was Israel. Then just a territory of distant empires. Then it was Israel again. That's the short history. And everything else is just anti Jewish bs.

[Killgaad]

Typical Israeli propaganda and I'm not gonna get into a debate with the likes of you—I do not talk to Israeli shills.

Shalom and Arrivederci to you.

[BiscuitBumper]

Are these people killing each other over some hokey fake religion?

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Killgaad ↗

Typical Israeli propaganda and I'm not gonna get into a debate with the likes of you—I do not talk to Israeli shills.

Shalom and Arrivederci to you.

It's not a debate. Reading a cereal boxes ingredients isn't a debate. Neither is documented historical events. It's what happened. It's reality.

You "don't want to debate " because what you occupying is unexplainable. What you call "disproportionate force" is unexplainable.

And lastly, you don't want to debate because your feelings on the issue are just that, feelings. It's not you, learning the history of how this all began, and how it got here. And coming to a point of view based on that.

It's, they are Jews. And that's all. So they will always be in the wrong.

I'm not Jewish, I don't believe I know any Jews. But I am a big fan of history. And I haven't come across anything that explains why I should be against Jewish people.

They certainly haven't done anything worse than dozens of other civilizations. In fact, there's dozens of civilizations that have done much much worse things.

Hating Jews is propaganda. It's likely the oldest propaganda in the history of mankind, and it's still going today.

This entire thing people believe. The Jews run the banks. The Jews run the world. Stems from ancient times, when the Jews formed Israel. Turned a empty land into a thriving kingdom. Then they were exiled into other territories. Within struggling civilizations. And again, they did well. And built a thriving community. And they did this several times.

Even when they returned to Israel, (Palestine). Where the so called Palestinians have lived. And the Jews returned and made it a thriving area that attracted thousands of Muslims to the area to work. A place whee for hundreds of years the "Palestinians" never even established a government. Let alone a nation, or an economy that could support immigration.

So it's lies that these other civilizations and dictators and religious leaders spread to explain to their people why the Jews could accomplish things they could not.