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02-09-2016, 03:27 PM
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Re: Cellphone Video Shows a Hanging Suicide
she willingly put herself in a position that a) she had no earthly idea where she would end up and b) a huge percentage of the population is scared to death of and you call her cowardly?? there are many words to describe her, but cowardly is not one of them |
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02-10-2016, 03:14 AM
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Re: Cellphone Video Shows a Hanging Suicide
Hey Pyramid, I could write an epistle about suicide, but I'll try to limit myself to this: The operative words Pyramid_Head used are "while they're sad." Sadness, even deep, clinical depression & dysthymia, are often (though not always) treatable. The sadness WILL pass, or at least it can, provided they'll let it, & they'll work at it to make it pass. I seriously could go on about this all day, but basically, in a word: SUICIDE IS A "TRAGEDY". SUICIDE IS NOT SELFISH At least, not to the victim. They truly believe the living will be better off without them. Yet it is selfish, because it will damage your loved ones. It will scar them painfully, & will turn someone else's world upside down. Most suicides are NOT thinking of that. If they realized that their child would be a guilt-ridden, basket-case, homeless, heroin-addict because of their choice, they might not do it. They might say, "Well, I can deal with my pain for their sake." It's a perfectly valid reason, & is much deeper than making someone else "feel better." But they're not thinking that far ahead. Helping them realize that they will hurt someone they love is one way of therapeutically forcing them to think about the consequences. SUICIDE IS NEVER COURAGEOUS It takes courage & tremendous amount of sacrifice to live for other people, or to make the choice to live with your own pain. Your life matters to other people, & suicide will only wound the ones you love. Suicide will never, ever cause others who have done you harm to suddenly regret their actions. Suicide for the purpose of "I'll show you" never works, & is very rare, though it may be a component cause. "Courageous" for this woman might have involved leaving her husband or her family, moving away, or calling the police. There are many courageous things that a person can do, but they must be alive to do them. There is nothing "courageous" about going into that "great unknown" called death. Billions of people have gone before you, & you WILL be going there yourself, eventually. There's nothing special about that. SUICIDE IS ALWAYS ABOUT RELIEF FROM PAIN. Always, always, always. That person hanging up there wanted relief from her pain, whatever that pain was. And no pain that deep is trivial, nor should it ever be marginalized by those on the outside looking in, no matter how small or ridiculous it might seem to us. But relief is a feeling: you must be alive to experience a feeling. The suicidal will insist that this is not the case: they just want it over. They just want out. But that's because they can no longer find that relief here, in this life. They believe they're out of options, so they just want it to end. They've accepted this idea that "If I can't feel better, then feeling nothing will be just fine." But they won't "feel nothing" because they'll be dead. There's no consciousness after death. So if they want relief, they have to make the decision to live first. _________________________________________ Alright, this was long anyway, & I didn't even touch the subject of those who may have lost someone to suicide: suvivor's guilt, etc. So I'll say this quickly: it wasn't your fault, & you couldn't have stopped it. Only they can. |