[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by ocrage ↗

how can some people call her selfish? she was abused and mistreated her whole life and sometimes that shit is just too much to live with. she didn't even hesitate, the second she tied she went for it.

it was selfish for her dad and mom to think about themselves and not her.

One does not necessarily preclude the other.

Yes, she was treated horribly. People around her were selfish, unthinking, and cruel.

But that does not make her act a selfless one by any stretch of the imagination.

There are an awful lot of people in this world who have misery and abuse in their past. Many of them go on to do meaningful things, both for themselves and for others, on both a large and a small scale.

Originally Posted by gboy69 ↗

maybe it is selfish of people to expect someone else to exist against their will, just so they do not feel sad

Killing yourself over shit like this, or any shit really (other than perhaps the very near onset of a painful and miserable death from which there is no escape), isn't only taking action with no thought for its effect on other human beings (the very fucking definition of selfish, in fact), it is taking action with no thought towards the fulfillment of your own potential as a living being. You not only cheat those around you of any benefit your presence may have brought them, but you cheat yourself of the opportunity to move ahead, better yourself and your situation, and get the fuck over your oh-so-important emotional issues.

I don't personally give a fuck whether most people in the world live or fucking die, so long as they stay clear of me. But this complete and utter bullshit of blaming others for people committing suicide is absurd. Beyond absurd. "No, YOU'RE the selfish one for wanting me to live and make something of my life!" Childish rot.

Your life is your own. Use it, enjoy it, or throw it a-fucking-way as you see fit. But don't give me some line of hogshit about how it isn't a selfish thing to do. Because when you take that action, you are ultimately putting your immediate desires (whatever they may be based upon) above those of every other person in the world, including people such as your dependents who are wholly reliant on you for support.

What a load of utter bilge. Blaming the friends and family of the stiff for wishing the person was not dead or for wanting to get them help. There is only ONE single decision to make in this life for which you never get the opportunity to repent. Or correct. Or reflect upon. Or clean up. And that's suicide. Cursing at people for being angry/sad about someone making the one, true irrevocable decision in the world is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard here.

Letting your mate bang an ugly chick or punch his boss in the face is one thing. His life, let him make his mistakes and help him clean them up if he needs it. But trying (or wishing) to intercede before they make the sole, single decision that can never be re-thought is not a selfish act.

Where do you come up with this shit? Seriously? "You're selfish because you think I have a future and you value me as a friend and irreplacable human being!" I'd laugh except that you rarely fail to appear on any suicide discussion on this board and spout this drivel, so I know you're actually serious about it.

[e_note]

good gal

[orionlover69]

She had a hot stomach. Totally sexy body. Shower first before you hang yourself lady.

[SargeistExisting]

She wasn't selfish at all! Was of sound mind enough to record it for our viewing pleasure. I thank her for that.

[Buckafuffalo]

Pretty sweet looking belly button.

[Lythal]

Damn that took a while! When I heard that other person calling out my heart sunk, how selfish of her

[bazoozoo_52]

Wonder if there is anyway to remove the photo overlay in the first vid....

[dockman]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

One does not necessarily preclude the other.

Yes, she was treated horribly. People around her were selfish, unthinking, and cruel.

But that does not make her act a selfless one by any stretch of the imagination.

There are an awful lot of people in this world who have misery and abuse in their past. Many of them go on to do meaningful things, both for themselves and for others, on both a large and a small scale.




Killing yourself over shit like this, or any shit really (other than perhaps the very near onset of a painful and miserable death from which there is no escape), isn't only taking action with no thought for its effect on other human beings (the very fucking definition of selfish, in fact), it is taking action with no thought towards the fulfillment of your own potential as a living being. You not only cheat those around you of any benefit your presence may have brought them, but you cheat yourself of the opportunity to move ahead, better yourself and your situation, and get the fuck over your oh-so-important emotional issues.

I don't personally give a fuck whether most people in the world live or fucking die, so long as they stay clear of me. But this complete and utter bullshit of blaming others for people committing suicide is absurd. Beyond absurd. "No, YOU'RE the selfish one for wanting me to live and make something of my life!" Childish rot.

Your life is your own. Use it, enjoy it, or throw it a-fucking-way as you see fit. But don't give me some line of hogshit about how it isn't a selfish thing to do. Because when you take that action, you are ultimately putting your immediate desires (whatever they may be based upon) above those of every other person in the world, including people such as your dependents who are wholly reliant on you for support.

What a load of utter bilge. Blaming the friends and family of the stiff for wishing the person was not dead or for wanting to get them help. There is only ONE single decision to make in this life for which you never get the opportunity to repent. Or correct. Or reflect upon. Or clean up. And that's suicide. Cursing at people for being angry/sad about someone making the one, true irrevocable decision in the world is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard here.

Letting your mate bang an ugly chick or punch his boss in the face is one thing. His life, let him make his mistakes and help him clean them up if he needs it. But trying (or wishing) to intercede before they make the sole, single decision that can never be re-thought is not a selfish act.

Where do you come up with this shit? Seriously? "You're selfish because you think I have a future and you value me as a friend and irreplacable human being!" I'd laugh except that you rarely fail to appear on any suicide discussion on this board and spout this drivel, so I know you're actually serious about it.

Wow. Vedderman, I have never seen you so passionate before. I always look forward to your posts because I enjoy reading how expressive with your descriptions you are. This comes from my heart. Not everyone possesses positive coping skills.
Still friends, I hope.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by dockman ↗

Wow. Vedderman, I have never seen you so passionate before. I always look forward to your posts because I enjoy reading how expressive with your descriptions you are. This comes from my heart. Not everyone possesses positive coping skills.
Still friends, I hope.

I understand that many people lack positive coping skills. I understand why some people choose to kill themselves. Lack of positive coping skills is a weakness in the human condition, but suffering from that weakness doesn't make suicide any less selfish. I'm not passing judgment on suicide decedents here like many seem to do. Hell, I generally don't even have a problem with selfish behavior. But it IS a selfish act with far-reaching consequences that may affect many other people.

My problem isn't so much with the selfishness of suicidal behavior, but rather with certain fringe philosophies that seek to shift blame and attribute selfishness to others, just because they prefer that a friend or family member live rather than die.

The passion (or rancor in some cases) I may have exhibited was really more oriented towards that absurdist logic than directed at sufferers from depression or suicidal people.

[dockman]

Ok makes a lot of sense.