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Re: My Husbands Copperhead Bite

Here is how:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivenom

I saw an episode of on the ER shows and they needed several vials of anti-venom to treat someone.
His magic # was 6. That link wasnt loading for me but from what they told me (probably the same in the link) was that they subject these poor animals to snake bites and then gather the serum from them. Seems cruel but I was all for it Tuesday. I never knew how they got it.
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Re: My Husbands Copperhead Bite

The swelling is going down quickly now. It starts going back up if he tries to be vertical for too long so I have him in bed with it propped up. He doesnt have the nausea today either. Perhaps he will get to go back to work Sat. He is pretty hard headed so he will do it just to prove himself to some others.
Well, we all know ya can't keep a good man down! Glad he's recovering nicely. Dare I ask about the snake?
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Re: My Husbands Copperhead Bite

Ouch.. We have plenty of those in Pennsylvania.. most prominent venomous snake here, other two being the Timber Rattlesnake and the Eastern Maussasauga Rattlesnake (Which is endangered).
Minty- I live in PA as well. Came up here from MD, where I had a pond and woods, with copperheads seen pretty frequently
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Re: My Husbands Copperhead Bite

His magic # was 6. That link wasnt loading for me but from what they told me (probably the same in the link) was that they subject these poor animals to snake bites and then gather the serum from them. Seems cruel but I was all for it Tuesday. I never knew how they got it.
Exactly right!

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Antivenom (or antivenin or antivenene) is a biological product used in the treatment of venomous bites or stings. Antivenom is created by milking venom from the desired snake, spider or insect. The venom is then diluted and injected into a horse, sheep, rabbit, or goat. The subject animal will undergo an immune response to the venom, producing antibodies against the venom's active molecule which can then be harvested from the animal's blood and used to treat envenomation. Internationally, antivenoms must conform to the standards of pharmacopoeia and the World Health Organization (WHO).[1]
Contents [hide]
1 Terminology
2 Therapeutic use
3 Natural and acquired immunity
4 Availability of antivenoms
4.1 Spiders
4.2 Acarids
4.3 Insects
4.4 Scorpions
4.5 Marine animals
4.6 Snakes
5 Antivenom sources
6 References
7 External links
Terminology[edit]
The name "antivenin" comes from the French word venin, meaning venom, which in turn was derived from Latin venenum, meaning poison.
Historically, the term antivenin was predominant around the world, its first published use being in 1895.[2] In 1981, the World Health Organization decided that the preferred terminology in the English language would be venom and antivenom rather than venin and antivenin or venen and antivenene.[3]
Therapeutic use[edit]
The principle of antivenom is based on that of vaccines, developed by Edward Jenner; however, instead of inducing immunity in the patient directly, it is induced in a host animal and the hyperimmunized serum is transfused into the patient.
Antivenoms can be classified into monovalent (when they are effective against a single species' venom) or polyvalent (when they are effective against a range of species, or several different species at the same time). The first antivenom for snakes (called an anti-ophidic serum) was developed by Albert Calmette, a French scientist of the Pasteur Institute working at its Indochine branch in 1895, against the Indian Cobra (Naja naja). In 1901, Vital Brazil, working at the Instituto Butantan in São Paulo, Brazil, developed the first monovalent and polyvalent antivenoms for Central and South American Crotalus and Bothrops genera, as well as for certain species of venomous spiders, scorpions, and frogs.
Antivenoms for therapeutic use are often preserved as freeze-dried ampoules, but some are available only in liquid form and must be kept refrigerated. They are not immediately inactivated by heat, however, so a minor gap in the cold chain is not disastrous. The majority of antivenoms (including all snake antivenoms) are administered intravenously; however, stonefish and redback spider antivenoms are given intramuscularly. The intramuscular route has been questioned in some situations as not uniformly effective.[4]
Antivenoms bind to and neutralize the venom, halting further damage, but do not reverse damage already done. Thus, they should be administered as soon as possible after the venom has been injected, but are of some benefit as long as venom is present in the body. Since the advent of antivenoms, some bites which were previously invariably fatal have become only rarely fatal provided that the antivenom is administered soon enough.
Antivenoms are purified by several processes but will still contain other serum proteins that can act as antigens. Some individuals may react to the antivenom with an immediate hypersensitivity reaction (anaphylaxis) or a delayed hypersensitivity (serum sickness) reaction and antivenom should, therefore, be used with caution. Despite this caution, antivenom is typically the sole effective treatment for a life-threatening condition, and once the precautions for managing these reactions are in place, an anaphylactoid reaction is not grounds to refuse to give antivenom if otherwise indicated. Although it is a popular myth that a person allergic to horses "cannot" be given antivenom, the side effects are manageable, and antivenom should be given as rapidly as the side effects can be managed.[5]
In the U.S. the only approved antivenom for pit viper (rattlesnake, copperhead and water moccasin) snakebite is based on a purified product made in sheep known as CroFab.[6] It was approved by the FDA in October, 2000. U.S. coral snake antivenom is no longer manufactured, and remaining stocks of in-date antivenom for coral snakebite expired in the Fall of 2009, leaving the U.S. without a coral snake antivenom. Efforts are being made to obtain approval for a coral snake antivenom produced in Mexico which would work against U.S. coral snakebite, but such approval remains speculative.[citation needed] In the absence of antivenom, all coral snakebite should be treated in a hospital by elective endotracheal intubation and mechanical ventilation until the effects of coral snake neurotoxins abate. It is important to remember that respiratory paralysis in coral snakebite can occur suddenly, often up to 12 or more hours after the bite, so intubation and ventilation should be employed in anticipation of respiratory failure and not after it occurs, when it may be too late.
Natural and acquired immunity[edit]
Although individuals can vary in their physiopathological response and sensitivity to animal venoms, there is no natural immunity to them in humans. Some ophiophagic animals are immune to the venoms produced by some species of venomous snakes, by the presence of antihemorrhagic and antineurotoxic factors in their blood.
It is quite possible to immunize a person directly with small and graded doses of venom rather than an animal. According to Greek history, King Mithridates did this in order to protect himself against attempts of poisoning, therefore this procedure is often called mithridatization. However, unlike a vaccination against disease which must only produce a latent immunity that can be roused in case of infection, to neutralize a sudden and large dose of venom requires maintaining a high level of circulating antibody (a hyperimmunized state), through repeated venom injections (typically every 21 days). The long-term health effects of this process have not been studied. Further, cytotoxic venom components can cause pain and scarring at the immunization site. Finally, the resistance is specific to the particular venom used; maintaining resistance to a variety of venoms requires multiple monthly venom injections. Thus, there is no practical purpose or favorable cost/benefit ratio for this, except for people like zoo handlers, researchers, and circus artists who deal closely with venomous animals. Mithridatization has been tried with success in Australia and Brazil and total immunity has been achieved even to multiple bites of extremely venomous cobras and pit vipers.
Because neurotoxic venoms must travel farther in the body to do harm and are produced in smaller quantities, it is easier to develop resistance to them than directly cytotoxic venoms (such as those of most vipers) that are injected in large quantity and do damage immediately upon injection.
Availability of antivenoms[edit]
Antivenoms have been developed for the venoms associated with the following animals:[7]
Spiders[edit]
Antivenom Species Country
Funnel web spider antivenom Sydney funnel-web spider Australia
Soro antiaracnidico Brazilian wandering spider Brazil
Soro antiloxoscelico Recluse spider Brazil
Suero antiloxoscelico Chilean recluse Peru
Aracmyn All species of Loxosceles and Latrodectus Mexico
Redback spider antivenom Redback spider Australia
Black widow antivenom Black widow spider United States
SAIMR Spider antivenom Button spider South Africa
Anti Latrodectus antivenom Black Widow spider Argentina
Acarids[edit]
Antivenom Species Country
Tick antivenom Paralysis tick Australia
Insects[edit]
Antivenom Species Country
zoro antilonomico Lonomia obliqua caterpillar Brazil
Scorpions[edit]
Antivenom Species Country
Alacramyn Centruroides limpidus, C. noxius, C. suffusus Mexico
Suero Antialacran Centruroides limpidus, C. noxius, C. suffusus Mexico
Tunisian polyvalent antivenom All Iranian scorpions Tunisia
Anti-Scorpion Venom Serum I.P.(AScVS) Indian red scorpion India
Anti-scorpionique Androctonus spp., Buthus spp. Algeria
Scorpion antivenom Black scorpion, Buthus occitanus Morocco
Soro antiscorpionico Tityus spp. Brazil
SAIMR scorpion antivenin Parabuthus spp. South Africa
Purified prevalent Anti-Scorpion Serum(equine) Leiurus spp.& Androctonus scorpions Egypt
Marine animals[edit]
Antivenom Species Country
CSL box jellyfish antivenom Box jellyfish Australia
CSL stonefish antivenom Stonefish Australia
Snakes[edit]
Antivenom Species Country
Polyvalent snake antivenom South American Rattlesnake Crotalus durissus and fer-de-lance Bothrops asper Mexico (Instituto Bioclon)
Polyvalent snake antivenom South American Rattlesnake Crotalus durissus and fer-de-lance Bothrops asper South America
Polyvalent snake antivenom Saw-scaled Viper Echis carinatus, Russell's Viper Daboia russelli, Spectacled Cobra Naja naja, Common Krait Bungarus caeruleus India
Death adder antivenom Death adder Australia
Taipan antivenom Taipan Australia
Black snake antivenom Pseudechis spp. Australia
Tiger snake antivenom Australian copperheads, Tiger snakes, Pseudechis spp., Rough scaled snake Australia
Brown snake antivenom Brown snakes Australia
Polyvalent snake antivenom Many Australian snakes Australia
Sea snake antivenom Sea snakes Australia
Vipera tab Vipera spp. USA
Polyvalent crotalid antivenin (CroFab—Crotalidae Polyvalent Immune Fab (Ovine)) North American pit vipers (all rattlesnakes, copperheads, and cottonmouths) North America
Soro antibotropicocrotalico Pit vipers and rattlesnakes Brazil
Antielapidico Coral snakes Brazil
SAIMR polyvalent antivenom Mambas, Cobras, Rinkhalses, Puff adders (Unsuitable small adders: B. worthingtoni, B. atropos, B. caudalis, B. cornuta, B. heraldica, B. inornata, B. peringueyi, B. schneideri, B. xeropaga) South Africa[8]
SAIMR echis antivenom Saw-scaled vipers South Africa
SAIMR Boomslang antivenom Boomslang South Africa
Panamerican serum Coral snakes Costa Rica
Anticoral Coral snakes Costa Rica
Anti-mipartitus antivenom Coral snakes Costa Rica
Anticoral monovalent Coral snakes Costa Rica
Antimicrurus Coral snakes Argentina
Coralmyn Coral snakes Mexico
Anti-micruricoscorales Coral snakes Colombia
Antivenom sources[edit]
The following groups assist in locating antivenoms:
Africa: South African Institute for Medical Research, Johannesburg, Republic of South Africa.
Asia:
Bharat serums and vaccines Ltd, India
Haffkine Biopharmaceutical Corporation, Parel, Mumbai, India.
National Institute of Health (NIH), Islamabad, Pakistan. Produces polyvalent antivenom.
Australia: CSL Limited, Parkville, Victoria.
Americas:
Brazil: Instituto Butantan, São Paulo
Costa Rica: Instituto Clodomiro Picado, San José
Mexico: Instituto Bioclon
Mexico: Veteria Laboratories SA de CV
USA, The Antivenom Index is a joint project of the Association of Zoos and Aquariums and the American Association of Poison Control Centers: They maintain a website to help locate rare antivenoms: http://www.aza.org/antivenom-index/
USA, Colorado: Poisindex central office in Denver, Colorado, USA (1-800-332-3073).
USA, Miami, Florida: The Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Antivenom Bank: Emergency: 1-786-336-6600 available 24 hours. A list of available antivenoms and more information about the bank is available at http://www.miamidade.gov/fire/about-special-venom.asp
References[edit]
Jump up ^ Theakston RD, Warrell DA, Griffiths E (April 2003). "Report of a WHO workshop on the standardization and control of antivenoms". Toxicon 41 (5): 541–57. doi:10.1016/S0041-0101(02)00393-8. PMID 12676433.
Jump up ^ Merriam-Webster Dictionary Antivenin
Jump up ^ World Health Organization (1981). Progress in the characterization of venoms and standardization of antivenoms. Geneva: WHO Offset Publications. p. 5. ISBN 92-4-170058-0.
Jump up ^ Isbister GK. (2002). "Failure of intramuscular antivenom in Redback spider envenoming". Emerg Med (Fremantle) 14 (4): 436–9. doi:10.1046/j.1442-2026.2002.00356.x. PMID 12534488.
Jump up ^ See, for example, the Antivenom Precautions paragraph of the Medication section of James Forster, MD, MS (2006-03-14). "Snake Envenomations, Sea". eMedicine Emergency Medicine (environmental). Archived from the original on 26 June 2006. Retrieved 2006-06-25.
Jump up ^ http://www.savagelabs.com/Products/C...ofab_frame.htm Link to PDF for full prescribing information, retrieved 11/11/12
Jump up ^ "Appendix: Antivenom Tables". Clinical Toxicology 41 (3): 317–27. 2003. doi:10.1081/CLT-120021117.
Jump up ^ Spawls, S; Branch B (1995). The Dangerous Snakes of Africa. Ralph Curtis Books. Dubai: Oriental Press. p. 192. ISBN 0-88359-029-8.
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Re: My Husbands Copperhead Bite

We've mostly got Southern Copperheads here at my farm. (You can differentiate from the Osage Copperheads by the gun racks on the Southern Copperhead. )

Seems like every year, the copperheads setup under my air-conditioning units and/or the sidewalk by my back door (where rabbits like to burrow under it and nest in spring. Usually, not long after a big, fat copperhead will visit that nest and scarf a few bunny babies. )

I've seen specimens that are the size of the one you pictured. I've never had to kill one because they usually disappear before I can get a shotgun to decapitate the beast. So I guess you could say there is a tenuous peace between me and copperheads. As long as they stay out of sight, I won't blow their heads off.

I hope your husband feels better soon.
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Re: My Husbands Copperhead Bite

We've mostly got Southern Copperheads here at my farm. (You can differentiate from the Osage Copperheads by the gun racks on the Southern Copperhead. )

Seems like every year, the copperheads setup under my air-conditioning units and/or the sidewalk by my back door (where rabbits like to burrow under it and nest in spring. Usually, not long after a big, fat copperhead will visit that nest and scarf a few bunny babies. )

I've seen specimens that are the size of the one you pictured. I've never had to kill one because they usually disappear before I can get a shotgun to decapitate the beast. So I guess you could say there is a tenuous peace between me and copperheads. As long as they stay out of sight, I won't blow their heads off.

I hope your husband feels better soon.
That is the same relationship I have with them. If I never see them, they live. I hate them and the timber rattlesnakes.

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Re: My Husbands Copperhead Bite

That is the same relationship I have with them. If I never see them, they live. I hate them and the timber rattlesnakes.

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We have those here as well, but I only seem to run into copperheads and cottonmouths.

What we see most-often are racers (all colors) and coachwhips. I don't mess with either of them because they're not dangerous to humans -and- the eat a lot of vermin. Unfortunately, when we cut hay in my "front yard", one or two of them will get flayed open when they miscalculate their escape.
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Thank goodness he received rapid care. Wish him all the best for a speedy recovery
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I hope he feels better, Amy.
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Thank you! He is back in bed now. The real test will be tomorrow as he is determined to go to work. If he survives it, I think he is in the clear. Leg and foot swelling has gone down another inch since leaving the ICU. Not quite an inch by his ankle but it isnt holding the fluid like the upper part of his leg.
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