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11-30-2014, 08:48 AM
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Re: Youth Commits Suicide and Leaves Letter Stating the Motivation
Everyone always says what "dumb" reasons people have for suicide...but it's not one thing that makes someone do it. Something may be the final straw, but there's usually many other factors going on. Many people never even tell people that they suffer depression.
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12-01-2014, 05:13 AM
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Re: Youth Commits Suicide and Leaves Letter Stating the Motivation
From the outside it certainly seems like a very stupid thing to do, she had a whole life ahead of her. But you can't really understand a suicidal person until you step into their shoes. She could be well and deep into depression. Some 19 year olds might not be able to hand the social implications behind the accusations. It could lead to her alienation from her immediate social circle or locality. She might have felt the world was against her and utterly helpless, even paranoid everyone around her whispering was talking about her. When you laugh or scorn at 1 person, it feels like a fleeting topic. You'll forget it the next day. But when 10s or 100s of people scorn and laugh at you, it doesn't feel like a passing moment. Maybe that threw her over the edge. Depression isn't just a matter of "stop feeling sad". Oh well what the hell. A sad waste, but the second pic with the lampshade thing confused me. |
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12-01-2014, 04:23 PM
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Re: Youth Commits Suicide and Leaves Letter Stating the Motivation
First off let me say sorry about the loss of your father. Your situation and my own are somewhat similar and they show another side of sucide most people never think about. That is how suicide affects the family of the victim. My Grandmother hung herself several years ago. Much like your fathers case we had no warning. ////////She left no note nor had she shown any signs that she was troubled before she did it. My uncle found her , his own Mother hanging dead in a closet in her bedroom. To this day her actions still effect him. |
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12-01-2014, 05:37 PM
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Re: Youth Commits Suicide and Leaves Letter Stating the Motivation
I don't really get all of this "you can't understand what a suicidal person is going through so cut them a break" rhetoric. The same could be said of anyone anywhere for any action whatsoever. You also have no real idea what is going on in the life of a pedophile or a mass murderer or a drunk or a rapist or anyone else, but I don't hear anyone defending them with that rationale. Just like a murderer or a rapist, a suicidal person's actions have NEGATIVE, HURTFUL impacts on others around them. Family, friends, colleagues, the DSI personnel who have to work the scene, etc. None of us have any idea what anyone is going through aside from ourselves. And often not even then. Using someone's depression as an excuse to justify/condone/forgive their hurtful, selfish actions is in no way different from using a serial rapist's mommy issues to exonerate him from responsibility in his hateful actions. The whole useless routine is just more fucked up, double-standard hypocrisy from a society that is obsessed with 'victimization.' Yes, depression hurts. So does your mother burning you with a curling iron when you're a boy. But neither trauma should be used to justify the 'victimized' parties taking actions that negatively impact other humans later in life. Or if they are used to justify it, it should be done fairly and uniformly. |
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12-01-2014, 07:55 PM
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Re: Youth Commits Suicide and Leaves Letter Stating the Motivation
I have mixed feelings about this. My best bud from age 16 was a horsey chick. Into the same stuff, grandparents knew each other, cool enough to sleep over on weekends when we'd be working in her darkroom till mid morning. As I said, just friends and like the sister I never had. We started college together and then things started going south. She started getting really radical ('74-'75) that first year with all kinds of feminist shit and talking to me like I was some piece of male scum by the end of that year. Didn't know what the hell hit me and pretty much broke off all contact. Besides, my future ex wife wasn't cool with the besties situation. She comes out to her family who go apeshit and see their priest who totally condemns her and advises the family to cut off relations with her. At one point her grandmother told my mom that "she was dead to them". Fast forward about 2 years and she starts calling me stoned in the middle of the night threatening suicide. She got under the control of some woman 40+ that had a little girl and it became very physically abusive. After a few times she did this and I talked her down, when I tried to follow up, she'd cuss me out and slam the phone. This went on several times and my ex was sick of being woken up and essentially told me to tell her to fuck off. She fucked off. Slit both wrists and checked out at 23. Things like that haunt you and you never know if you could have made the difference. No depression here, she swallowed a fucked up rad fem ideology, her family and faith abandoned her, the only person she thought she could trust turned her into her punching bag. You can't know the reasons, but at least here, she lost all hope and everyone abandoned her including me. |