[Mr.NoCredit]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

I am actually really curious about what really happened and will be following the investigation with interest. Anything I discover will certainly be posted here.

Thanks for the share. Appreciate you’re trying to satisfy some morbid curiosity. One of my biggest questions is: “What did she stand on to get herself into the noose?”
Some additional questions:
What the hell were they doing in such a remote area drinking beer?
Is that a regular hang-out spot used by locals?
Seems kind of strange the rope being strung up so high and looped over the trees like that. I have a hard time picturing her tossing that rope over the top. Not saying she isn’t capable just finding it unusual.
Same thing about the shotgun. Did she catch him by surprise with it? There’s no way she could have shot him if he saw it coming. (Just my opinion there) Maybe last second but seems strange all the way around.
They had the rope in the car? Had the shotgun with them? A paraffin test would explain right away if she’d shot him. I understand the level of forensic investigation and the lack of care isn’t like in the US but some simple tests would explain a lot..
Interesting situation none the less. Thanks for being on top of it as much as you’re able to and for making such a large effort to explain.

[mr_feelgood]

End of the day another unexciting hanging
Dime a dozen

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Mr.NoCredit ↗

Thanks for the share. Appreciate you’re trying to satisfy some morbid curiosity. One of my biggest questions is: “What did she stand on to get herself into the noose?”
Some additional questions:
What the hell were they doing in such a remote area drinking beer?
Is that a regular hang-out spot used by locals?
Seems kind of strange the rope being strung up so high and looped over the trees like that. I have a hard time picturing her tossing that rope over the top. Not saying she isn’t capable just finding it unusual.
Same thing about the shotgun. Did she catch him by surprise with it? There’s no way she could have shot him if he saw it coming. (Just my opinion there) Maybe last second but seems strange all the way around.
They had the rope in the car? Had the shotgun with them? A paraffin test would explain right away if she’d shot him. I understand the level of forensic investigation and the lack of care isn’t like in the US but some simple tests would explain a lot..
Interesting situation none the less. Thanks for being on top of it as much as you’re able to and for making such a large effort to explain.

It is a regular hangout spot for locals, especially families. They often swim there and have picnics.

So far the sources have not indicated that a car was found on the scene, which obviously lends itself to a double-murder scenario.

And for as unusual and improbable as a homicidal hanging is (I can count the number I have seen in the last ten years on one hand), I will admit that her hanging looks very suspicious.

The way the rope is rigged between the two trees certainly looks more like a multi-person job. And the way the rope is sitting on top of her hair in the back rather than beneath it is also very unusual for a suicide.

Honestly, it looks a lot more like she was standing or being held there and someone tossed the rope around her neck and started pulling like a damned pulley array around that other tree, lifting her off the ground and strangling her, then tying it off.

But that seriously would have taken several committed people and wouldn't have been quick. It just seems so brutal and slow, plus it is weird to just shoot the guy in the face and then spend all this time and effort giving the girl a slow, agonizing death by hanging. Why not just shoot her? It almost had to be deeply personal rather than some semi-pro gang shit, I'd think.

Her funeral was this afternoon and I tactfully made some gentle inquiries among some of her friends who were there, but none of them know much more than we do here. They definitely don't believe she killed herself, though.

[Mr.NoCredit]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

But that seriously would have taken several committed people and wouldn't have been quick. It just seems so brutal and slow, plus it is weird to just shoot the guy in the face and then spend all this time and effort giving the girl a slow, agonizing death by hanging. Why not just shoot her? It almost had to be deeply personal rather than some semi-pro gang shit, I'd think.

Her funeral was this afternoon and I tactfully made some gentle inquiries among some of her friends who were there, but none of them know much more than we do here. They definitely don't believe she killed herself, though.

So to put a different spin on it: Maybe she was hung before he was shot in order to make him suffer internally before taking a round to the face. That would make it very personal considering your comments. Just a thought..

[oudja]

I thought exactly the same scenario : they forced him to see her agonising by hanging and when it was over they shot him in the face and left.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

It is a regular hangout spot for locals, especially families.

Sounds like you solved the case!

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

You are seriously over-estimating the amount of effort the local police put into solving a crime like this in Escuintla.

Go watch the videos again. The entire scene is controlled by like two fat firemen, one paramedic who looks about 19, and a couple of over-the-hill cops who are talking on the phone and taking manual notes with paper and a pencil. Ain't nobody getting their feet wet over these two unless someone makes a stink.

I agree that if it was her she likely just chucked the gun into the drink without 'hiding' it, I just don't think these keystone kops are bothering to look even 15m into the water.

It's a very weird setup for gang violence is all. Not impossible by any means, but the MO is extremely weird. Shooting the guy in board shorts in the face and then taking 20 minutes right next to a local work road to tie a rope and pulley between two trees to slow-hang this chick? Way too much work to not even leave a warning narcomensaje explaining why they're dead.

Nah, I am pretty solid on believing its a crime of passion, though not resolved between whether she did the killing and hanged herself or her fiance did it. Or even the dead guy's wife's brother or something. But its way too bizarre for a Guatemalan gang in Escuintla.

Could be the case, but I think if the wife killed herself, why go through the trouble of hanging herself?
Maybe the guy died badly from the gunshot wound and she thought hanging would be better? I hope you crack the case either way! I really believe there should be a third party involved.

Maybe a hitman hired by the fiancé? To make it look like a passion suicide.

[Vedderman]

Well, not unexpectedly, this case is pretty much dried up. I had hoped for some actual answers, but it's been three days since I got a reply from any of my media sources. Most of the original sources for the photos have since gone in and either removed all of them or censored them heavily, especially images of the young woman. This usually happens when the family or the law is complaining about the photos. The law only tends to complain if the victims are underage, so I assume the girl's family made a stink about all the photos of her hanging corpse.

No further information has been published. Her friends (understandably) either had no details or didn't wish to share them. My emails to SPH have not been answered either.

This could mean any number of things, but most commonly means that the cops had nothing to go on and lack the resources to investigate properly without stronger urging. Typically this only happens if higher government or (more commonly) the victims' families make a huge mess with protests and news articles, etc to force the investigation to proceed. Without that pressure, many murder investigations in Guatemala stall out.

Since both victims have already had their funerals and been buried, chances are good that the families aren't interested in more digging around.

If a gun was found on the scene, it was never reported to the sources I am in contact with. Among the public in the area (ie local people gossiping about it all on social media), the prevailing theory remains that the girl's fiance' is responsible, likely with the aid of one or two other people.

But at this point, it is highly unlikely it will ever be solved.

[Caveman5150]

As commonplace as murder is in all of S. America, why even bother to make it look like anything else? What's the upside, for anyone, of this being just another crazy chick? A crazy chick that repels & knows how to rig line?

[FineWithThat]

Let look at their financial status, family and freinds. Emails, phone numbers, did they have enemies?