[DonB]

Originally Posted by MrCorpse ↗

yes, watch the video i posted... hopefully if he watches it all (which he won't) he will see what we're saying (but he won't)...

Yeah, the video basically sums up my thoughts on the subject. I should point out that, on the matter of God, I'm an agnostic with strong atheist leanings; meaning, I don't know with certainty either way, but cold logic dictates that hard evidence of something need be adduced before one believes in it. Call me crazy.
Frankly, I don't give the topic much thought at all. I really only contemplate and discuss it when inconsiderate, one-track-mind theists try to push their beliefs as fact. Normally, I have much more important, real-world things to think about.

[butterfly]

Just saying there is a heaven and a hell and I'm not saying that there is a God or not.

Great post

[Barky]

Originally Posted by REBDOOMER ↗

It's a piece of jewelry ffs, not bloody Wonder Woman's magic bracelets! Now THOSE could stop a truck!

[bearbear]

Originally Posted by MrCorpse ↗

If you watched it and more importantly understood it... and if you are able to think rationally... you would see the flaws in the statements you made earlier... the burden of proof is on the theist to explain their belief... It is not possible to disprove something which does not exist...

If you already believe something does not exist, how much effort are you going to put in disproving it?

Originally Posted by MrCorpse ↗

Heres a good example:

Can you prove Godzilla doesn't exist?

We've never seen him but we haven't checked everywhere... what if there was a Godzilla at the bottom of the ocean? We can't say for sure he doesn't exist but because it is extremely unlikely so we just say that he does not exist... Do you follow?
So it is the same with God... he may exist somewhere... it is possible yes as we can't rule every possibility out... but to say he DOES exist is dishonest and absurd... Do you understand now?

Isn't saying "god does not exist" to some extent "Dishonest and absurd" as you put it.There's a 3% chance of a woman getting pregnant when the male partner uses the condom correctly, since the chances/odds are slim (as the chances of god existing) should we state "chance of getting pregnant is non existent"?

Originally Posted by MrCorpse ↗

If you say there may be a God, or if you say you hope there's a God then I will have no argument... But anyone who worships a particular God or who claims to know he exists for a fact must be able to demonstrate this... the fact they cannot makes them delusional. God is an imaginary friend for adults.

For someone to believe in god, they have to believe 100% or it just does not work out spiritually and i accept that. Which is why i don't take time out of my day to mock people who believe in god with all of their hearts as you have with your thread.

To me it just seems like

Originally Posted by bearbear

You are searching for someone to give you a reason to believe in a god because deep down inside (psychologically) you want some sort of comfort since eventually you will die. Even though you say "we die, that's it" seemingly carefree, you don't want that to be true. The fact that you see people who you consider to be ignorant to reality going through life blissfully to some degree because of their belief in an afterlife bothers you. You also feel superior to people who take a "leap of faith" since you are the type that always "look before you leap". You feel better about yourself when you condescend or mock people of religious beliefs because you feed off the fact that they have no undeniable proof.

Or

You have done bad things in your life so you fear re-precaution, you feel a sense of comfort when you tell yourself you will never be judged for the wrong things you have done or going to do. You might also be deciding on rather you want to be a good or bad person. Being bad is easy and tempting while being good takes effort and not immediately as rewarding unless you believe your good deeds will be rewarded in the afterlife.

[MrCorpse]

Originally Posted by bearbear ↗

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If you already believe something does not exist, how much effort are you going to put in disproving it?

Is'nt saying "god does not exist" to some extent "Dishonest and absurd" as you put it.There's a 3% chance of a woman getting pregnant when the male partner uses the condom correctly, since the chances/odds are slim (as the chances of god existing) should we state "chance of getting pregnant is non existent"?

For someone to believe in god, they have to believe 100% or it just does not work out spiritually and i accept that. Which is why i don't take time out of my day to mock people who believe in god with all of their hearts as you have with your thread.

Do you have reading comprehension difficulties? I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I think I worded myself pretty well and have made it clear that God is not impossible but rather unlikely. You say that some people need to believe in God 100% for it to work - to believe anything 100% you need proof surely?

Reality isn't something you get to choose... something can either be demonstrated as real or it is without merit. People who believe 100% that there is a God but have no reason to back this up have been brainwashed and i take pity on them. The biggest crime is that they go on to brainwash their kids... This is child abuse.

[Barky]

Originally Posted by bearbear ↗

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If you already believe something does not exist, how much effort are you going to put in disproving it?

Isn't saying "god does not exist" to some extent "Dishonest and absurd" as you put it.There's a 3% chance of a woman getting pregnant when the male partner uses the condom correctly, since the chances/odds are slim (as the chances of god existing) should we state "chance of getting pregnant is non existent"?

God is a condom?

[bearbear]

Originally Posted by MrCorpse ↗

Do you have reading comprehension difficulties? I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I think I worded myself pretty well and have made it clear that God is not impossible but rather unlikely. You say that some people need to believe in God 100% for it to work - to believe anything 100% you need proof surely?

Reality isn't something you get to choose... something can either be demonstrated as real or it is without merit. People who believe 100% that there is a God but have no reason to back this up have been brainwashed and i take pity on them. The biggest crime is that they go on to brainwash their kids... This is child abuse.

So what your saying is that the true crime is that people pass on their beliefs to their kids... I'm just relieved that you wont be passing your beliefs to your kids since you are against people passing their beliefs.

Maybe what you should be concerned with is which group of people live happier lives rather then what they believe in. You want so badly for people to agree with what you are saying while i don't care what other people believe in as long as they are happy and are not causing harm to other people while pursuing their happiness. Learn to tolerate people and stop thinking you're somehow better then others (giving pity where pity is not needed)

[MrCorpse]

Originally Posted by bearbear ↗

So what your saying is that the true crime is that people pass on their beliefs to their kids... I'm just relieved that you wont be passing your beliefs to your kids since you are against people passing their beliefs.

Maybe what you should be concerned with is which group of people live happier lives rather then what they believe in. You want so badly for people to agree with what you are saying while i don't care what other people believe in as long as they are happy and are not causing harm to other people while pursuing their happiness. Learn to tolerate people and stop thinking you're somehow better then others (giving pity where pity is not needed)

I am against them brainwashing them... watch Jesus Camp please... you can find some of it on Youtube... even just look for highlights to begin with...

[bearbear]

Originally Posted by MrCorpse ↗

I am against them brainwashing them... watch Jesus Camp please... you can find some of it on Youtube... even just look for highlights to begin with...

I'm against that too, it's extreme. Just like there are extreme muslims.... i agree that is wrong because the child's brain which is not fully developed or capable of comprehending what religion is. They are forced to repeat phrases and act in certain ways with out having an understanding as to why. But not every christian,catholic, muslim etc.. is extreme.

The way you're approaching this matter is wrong, your building hate and hate leads to more hate.

If you feel so passionately about the children being raised with extreme views maybe you would like to remove kids from homes with extremely racist parents such as KKK members. Surely teaching hatred to kids is child abuse too.

[DonB]

Originally Posted by bearbear ↗

I'm against that too, it's extreme. Just like there are extreme muslims.... i agree that is wrong because the child's brain which is not fully developed or capable of comprehending what religion is. They are forced to repeat phrases and act in certain ways with out having an understanding as to why. But not every christian,catholic, muslim etc.. is extreme.

The way you're approaching this matter is wrong, your building hate and hate leads to more hate.

If you feel so passionately about the children being raised with extreme views maybe you would like to remove kids from homes with extremely racist parents such as KKK members. Surely teaching hatred to kids is child abuse too.

I agree with everything you wrote above, but it no longer addresses the original dispute.