[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by shrubbery ↗

that is so weak and helpless; the death is on the mother: she couldn't find a way to cut the cord? she couldn't find the strength in a crisis to lift a 90 lb girl?

Believe me, I have read a -lot- of statements from family/friends who found loved ones hanging. While sometimes they can be taken down, it is far more common that they simply cannot handle the dead weight of a hanging body pulling against that ligature.

This is far from an isolated occurrence. Especially when it is the mother or sister who finds them. Yes, she could perhaps have run out to a shed and gotten a yard tool of some kind to perhaps try and cut her down. But the 2 minutes she would spending doing that would leave the girl hanging and strangling.

At the end of the day, though, it really hardly mattered. Head over to the video section and watch the Katelyn Davis or one of the Indian suicide hanging videos. Their bodies are typically devoid of all but autonomous movement and posturing after less than 90 seconds. The sad fact is, the girl was probably 90% brain dead in the short time it took her mother to get to her.

[wickedlara]

It was her life to use in any way she chose. She wanted to die and had the courage to make it happen, good for her. It's not like there is a shortage of people on this planet. We all go there some day; she just chose the time and place. It is all good.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by wickedlara ↗

It was her life to use in any way she chose. She wanted to die and had the courage to make it happen, good for her. It's not like there is a shortage of people on this planet. We all go there some day; she just chose the time and place. It is all good.

No.

In much of the world, society has largely decided that children her age are not biologically developed enough to be legally responsible mentally and socially to vote, drink, smoke cigarettes, serve in the army, work full time jobs, drive cars, get married, have sexual relations, sign contracts, quite school, emancipate, and many other things.

Your argument holds some water (with me anyway) if you are talking about competent, fully developed adults making such decisions. But not young teens whose undeveloped brains are flooded with out of control hormones and who have not yet begun to master (nor even understand) many of the social complexities of human interaction and its consequences.

I do believe that responsible adults not suffering from diagnosed chemical imbalances in the brain should have the right to choose the time and manner of their death, so long as no one dies with them.

But a 14 year old's understanding of themselves and the world are not developed enough to make that decision responsibly and unaided in most cases.

[peachpie]

Good suicide tip.

[philovan]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

No.

In much of the world, society has largely decided that children her age are not biologically developed enough to be legally responsible mentally and socially to vote, drink, smoke cigarettes, serve in the army, work full time jobs, drive cars, get married, have sexual relations, sign contracts, quite school, emancipate, and many other things.

Your argument holds some water (with me anyway) if you are talking about competent, fully developed adults making such decisions. But not young teens whose undeveloped brains are flooded with out of control hormones and who have not yet begun to master (nor even understand) many of the social complexities of human interaction and its consequences.

I do believe that responsible adults not suffering from diagnosed chemical imbalances in the brain should have the right to choose the time and manner of their death, so long as no one dies with them.

But a 14 year old's understanding of themselves and the world are not developed enough to make that decision responsibly and unaided in most cases.

Yours is a typical western attitude toward teens. You are right that in "much of the world" this attitude prevails. However, in much of the world it does not. Asia is, largely, in this second "much of the world."

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by philovan ↗

Yours is a typical western attitude toward teens. You are right that in "much of the world" this attitude prevails. However, in much of the world it does not. Asia is, largely, in this second "much of the world."

I get that. Especially certain portions of SE Asia. But you're missing my point. Regardless of how any particular culture may or may not perceive a teen's role in society at a certain age, developmental science clearly indicates that their psyches are not fully formed and their actions are often dominated by hormonal imbalance, making things appear far more serious at the time than they actually are.

Trying to paint a rosy, half-assed noble perspective on a young teen's suicide, with a failed relationship as the catalyst (which is what wickedlara was doing and what I was responding to) is still short-sighted and irresponsible REGARDLESS of whether the decedent's third world throwback culture views them as an 'adult' or not.

This fucking kid still spent her allowance on Hello Kitty and painted cartoon characters on the walls of her ramshackle bedroom. I call 'Bullshit' on the ridiculous notion of "She chose the time and place of her death and had the courage to go through with it, good for her."

[iceiceice]

Already Brain dead/damage... Poor little girl...

[wickedlara]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

No.

In much of the world, society has largely decided that children her age are not biologically developed enough to be legally responsible mentally and socially to vote, drink, smoke cigarettes, serve in the army, work full time jobs, drive cars, get married, have sexual relations, sign contracts, quite school, emancipate, and many other things.

Your argument holds some water (with me anyway) if you are talking about competent, fully developed adults making such decisions. But not young teens whose undeveloped brains are flooded with out of control hormones and who have not yet begun to master (nor even understand) many of the social complexities of human interaction and its consequences.

I do believe that responsible adults not suffering from diagnosed chemical imbalances in the brain should have the right to choose the time and manner of their death, so long as no one dies with them.

But a 14 year old's understanding of themselves and the world are not developed enough to make that decision responsibly and unaided in most cases.

Rules like this are made by people with an agenda. It is her life. Can a 14 year old be tried as an adult? The answer is yes. Kids can be emancipated at 15. Do your rules stop them from having sex? Is such a rule against nature? Do you really think the brain is not developed enough at that age? You know the brain starts to deteriorate at 25.

Anyway your "rules" are sort of useless. How will punish this girl for this transgression? Life in prison?

[Ron'smom]

I love that you tell the story. Thanks.
So so sad. Beautiful girl with all her life to live.

[cynbad]

Dumb ass popo was doing CPR on her diaphram