[William May]

Don't sweat it, Vedderman! Either more info will surface, or maybe not. All you can do is what you can do. Looks like a fine post to me. Maybe we'll get an update in a few weeks. Or maybe not. There is nothing you can do about that, either way.
(Unless you want to kill some chick down by the beach, while you are dressed up as an overweight transexual of the opposite persuasion.)

[Vedderman]

I still want to know why the fuck her left boot and sock are off. I know rescue workers/EMTs will often have to cut or remove clothing to look for entry wounds, perform lifesaving measures, etc. But I have never heard of them unlacing and removing someone's Doc Marten and sock at the scene of a reported fall or bronchoaspiration.

[RogerSmithLikesDrugs]

Maybe dragging her, it could of snagged, but then again it was laying right there, not like down the trail. Maybe they were in process of undressing her and got spooked by passersby.

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

I still want to know why the fuck her left boot and sock are off. I know rescue workers/EMTs will often have to cut or remove clothing to look for entry wounds, perform lifesaving measures, etc. But I have never heard of them unlacing and removing someone's Doc Marten and sock at the scene of a reported fall or bronchoaspiration.

[imbok]

I can't imagine the nearly impossible task of sorting this out. Conflicting stories, seedy characters, drunk witnesses, people protecting their own ass, incompetent cops, and who knows what else will probably keep that night's events a mystery. Let's hope I'm wrong.

[hermantheshocker]

Great work Ved!

[kellyhound]

think she made up the robbing story and was pushed by her "friend".
Way too young to die.
Interesting case

[FrankRagsdale]

inthe pictures you can see she pissed all over her shorts so maybe that means she was strangled by the fatty or something

[Hunter1031]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

I still want to know why the fuck her left boot and sock are off. I know rescue workers/EMTs will often have to cut or remove clothing to look for entry wounds, perform lifesaving measures, etc. But I have never heard of them unlacing and removing someone's Doc Marten and sock at the scene of a reported fall or bronchoaspiration.

They could have tried to find a vein. They did it to me when I was lifeflighted one time.

[Lil_Lisa]

Originally Posted by FrankRagsdale ↗

inthe pictures you can see she pissed all over her shorts so maybe that means she was strangled by the fatty or something

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Lil_Lisa ↗

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

Loss of sphincter control is fairly typical in most violent deaths. Most prevalent in asphyxiations yes, but hardly exclusive to them. I've seen it happen in stabbings, shootings, beheadings, poisonings, falls, drowning, car accidents, beatings, and electrocutions as well.

The back of her shorts are even wetter than the front , so it is likely that she lost control of her bladder once she was already lying supine at the bottom of the wall. Based on the tiktok videos, she had been drinking a lot of liquor in the hour before her death, which probably increased the likelihood of it happening. Of course, she may have been strangled. But no marks on her throat were noted in any of the reports I had access to.

Anyway, now that I've rambled on...the short version is that pissing herself as she died is not necessarily a reflection of the method by which she was killed. It just meant that her bladder was full when her sphincters relaxed, either at the time of death or unconsciousness.