The Murder of Aundria Crawford by Rex Krebs

summer34 · #31 ● 04-14-2022, 11:10 AM

Damn, she was only 5 months older than me. I think back to what I was doing and where I was in March of 1999. Sad shit. She had a whole life ahead of her, only to be taken out by such a loser. Doesn’t he look like the caricature of the side show strong man from yesteryear circuses?!?!

summer34 · #32 ● 04-14-2022, 11:11 AM

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arsonist_1 · #33 ● 04-14-2022, 12:31 PM

I had to look twice, I almost mistook him for Charlie Bronson.

Skeletoff · #34 ● 04-14-2022, 06:51 PM

For awhile, some of the SLO county PD thought that Rex was also responsible for Kristin Smart's disappearance even though there was a mountain of evidence pointing to Paul Flores even back then.

Fucking great post Herman!

MoomWrangler · #35 ● 06-07-2022, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Karma ↗

I too respect your opinion and understand it.
I’m talking about repeat offenders who will NEVER be rehabilitated. That goes for sexual predators too. I would have them castrated

I had an interesting experience last December. For some reason the hospital could not determine, nor the neurologist consultants and docs I had a 3 day total memory loss. Total amnesia. I STILL don’t know what happened.
In a nutshell my daughters found me. I was taken to hospital. Woke up out of it hours later.
Every test imaginable. No reason found. My point in all this is supposing I had murdered someone. Someone completely innocent.
I would have had no recollection of it. But I would still have murdered someone. And I would be culpable.
I would expect to be punished.

Death penalty absolutely definitely for repeat offenders who get out with little or no sentence because of well paid defence lawyers etc. Where is the justice for the victims they CHOSE to kill.
JMO.

Just to add another thought...

The death penalty doesn't appear to be a deterrent at all, quite the opposite. The FBI's own statistics show rates of violent crime are significantly higher in death penalty states.

I appreciate the emotional desire to exact revenge: I often fantasise about doing just that to the Priest who repeatedly raped a person very close to me when she was just 8 years old, using the authority and mystique of the Catholic Church to gaslight her into submission. She still suffers the trauma of this decades later.

I get that revenge can seem a lot like justice, especially when a person's transgressions are so inhuman. Nonetheless (and to quote Aristotle) 'The law is reason free from passion'. Justice is not a means to an end (ie revenge), it is the end itself. Justice must be fair to all, which requires that it be impartial. Justifying capital punishment on a retributivist basis substitutes impartiality for personal and emotional motives. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with feeling that way, just that it shouldn't be allowed to interfere in a system that must be fair in order to be just.

If killing is wrong and abhorrent, why on earth would we want to give the State that right? In the UK we're lucky to have a politically independent judiciary, but our current government is rapidly sliding into fascism. Would you trust the corrupt, incompetent berks currently infesting no. 10 to enact and oversee such powers fairly? What about the Police? Do you really think they would serve their role in this system fairly? Allowing the families of victims the right to choose a punishment would mean justice would be dispensed unequally, and it would also allow wealthy offenders to pay off poorer families in leui of execution. Where killing for purpose of satisfying personal motives is not only justified, but normalised and sanitised, where is the moral deterrent? Why is it fair that the State should be empowered to act on such motives, but not the individual? The State has the capacity to be just as flawed, irrational and corrupt as any individual. If someone is wrongfully executed, do you think the State will pay in kind? Should we execute the judge who passed the wrongful sentence? The jury for reaching the wrong verdict? The prosecution for putting forth a winning case? The defence for failing to win? How do the family of that victim exact their eye for an eye? Why is it only individual citizens who suffer this sentence?

The bottom line is that humans are notoriously poor at being consistently rational or fair. Regardless of how highly we view ourselves, we are primitive, emotionally driven creatures with a very long track record of being shit at wielding power fairly, responsibly and morally. The power to kill and call it justice is something we can't be trusted with, especially when such power is justified and enacted by a complex, bureaucratic behemoth made up of equally corruptible humans, easily accessible to those in power, but not to the common person, and certainly not to the person sitting in the dock.

The death penalty does not deter violence, it does not save money on the cost of incarceration. It is not morally or rationally justifiable and it certainly isn't just. The UK justice system is far from perfect, but I'm eternally grateful that we have banished the grim machinery of statutory killing to the past where it belongs. Where we no longer systematically condemn (mostly poor) people to death. Where we are no longer concerned with the chilling task of designing the most efficient, sanitised means of murdering people. Where we don't hide behind a bureaucracy of arbitrary justification to tell ourselves we're not as bad as the person we condemn for the same act.

Like I said, I understand where you're coming from, and I do experience the desire for revenge, but I don't think that desire should ever be entertained or empowered by the justice system.