[gripp9k]

Originally Posted by AlvinKarpis ↗

Yes it is

Just wait until you see his face in the picture of Dr Olvey taking his pulse, its so hard to see because the original part you see looks like the head of a spooky doll, and when you first see the picture it looks like you see two pairs of shoes and the Doc is taking his pulse on his leg up in the thigh area

Thats what everyone sees at first

He is taking his pulse on his neck and looking away from Smileys face/head, look at how the good Doctor is "checking" his pulse (he was going through the motions checking it so the crowd would see some sort of effort to check for life, Dr Olvey said as soon as he saw Smileys the top of Smileys head he knew for sure he was dead) the placement looks like his head might be to the side

Look at the pic of Gordy in his racing suit and in your head picture what that would look like if the helmet was ripped from the suit

His fire protected balaclava is a piece of clothing that is a part of not just attached (like his helmet) to his racing suit, so that stayed on for the most part

I am about to post a short video of each angle of how his body ends up in relation to the front axle he is tangled up in

But for now look at this for a while and go through all the possible ways you could be seeing Smileys face, back of the head, right side, left side, front side left front etc etc

Spend a minute on each position, when you see his face it will give you the chills like nobodies business


Again I love Gordon Smiley, no disrespect meant to him or his family at all, I hate to be blunt about stuff like this, but if your not sometimes people will never see what is really in the picture

RIP Gordy

New to this site - and have been a huge F1 and vintage racing fan even when I was a kid - but you are right - it took me forever to figure out what you were talking about - and then when you see it you rather wish you never saw it. Absolutely brutal picture. RIP.

[Boomking]

Originally Posted by Boomking ↗

Really great thread!

I found this video of Armando Teran's death, don't know if it was posted here or not:

Derp....I just realized that's one of your videos, Alvin.

[CaSe]

Originally Posted by gripp9k ↗

New to this site - and have been a huge F1 and vintage racing fan even when I was a kid - but you are right - it took me forever to figure out what you were talking about - and then when you see it you rather wish you never saw it. Absolutely brutal picture. RIP.

For the life of me, I cannot make out his face.

[gripp9k]

Originally Posted by CaSe ↗

For the life of me, I cannot make out his face.

What made it difficult for me was I was looking for something that looks like a face. You are looking for two areas that are round, near each other in the area described, those are his eyes - it doesn't look like a face - until you realize that IS his face. Quite brutal.

[Hugo L.]

Hi all, I'm new here, I registered on this site for the sole purpose of viewing this thread.

What an amazing compilation of pictures/vids.

I cannot thank the OP (and all who have contributed) enough for providing such compelling documents.

I'm a big race fan, and in a way those who gave their lives, especially back in the day, deserve our respect for being part of the «let's make sure it doesn't happen again/trial-and-error» process of making racing safer, for both drivers and fans.

Now, I have a question : I remember reading about a driver who got into a big accident, bot burned severely, and when doctors were putting him back together (so to speak), more specifically his hands, he told them «shape my fingers so I can still hold a steering wheel». So his fingers were permanently shaped in a semi-clutched fashion, and sure enough he kept racing. I don't know if this has been posted, and if so, I don't recall his name (I think he was American).

Originally Posted by gripp9k ↗

What made it difficult for me was I was looking for something that looks like a face. You are looking for two areas that are round, near each other in the area described, those are his eyes - it doesn't look like a face - until you realize that IS his face. Quite brutal.

Still can't figure it out.

Could someone be so nice as to outline it using MS Paint or whatever, such as the shooter on the grassy knoll in the Kennedy tape by Zapruder?

[The Dark]

I have a recollection I've heard that story applied to Salt Walther who of course features regularly in this thread.

Wiki says briefly " Walther's most severe injuries were to his hands — the fingers on his left hand had to be partially amputated, and those on his crushed right hand eventually healed into unnatural angles" so if it was him perhaps there's an element of urban legend to it.

I'm guessing Buford may be far more familiar with such a tale of old style racing guts.

[lachebr]

I think that quote came from Jim Hurtubise. His hands were badly burned in a crash.

[Hugo L.]

Originally Posted by lachebr ↗

I think that quote came from Jim Hurtubise. His hands were badly burned in a crash.

That's it!

From Wiki :

« In 1964, after suffering serious burns in an accident during the Rex Mays Classic, in Milwaukee, doctors asked Hurtubise how he wanted his hands shaped permanently. "Just make 'em so I can hold a steering wheel," he replied.»

Thanks a lot!

[lachebr]

Originally Posted by Hugo L. ↗

That's it!

From Wiki :

« In 1964, after suffering serious burns in an accident during the Rex Mays Classic, in Milwaukee, doctors asked Hurtubise how he wanted his hands shaped permanently. "Just make 'em so I can hold a steering wheel," he replied.»



Thanks a lot!

Sure. I was going to say Mel Kenyon, but I remembered he actually lost most of his hand and had a glove with a socket type fitting in the end of it that clicked onto an adapter on the steering wheel. Back in the day those poor drivers sure got burned badly :(

[Buford61]

Originally Posted by The Dark ↗

I have a recollection I've heard that story applied to Salt Walther who of course features regularly in this thread.

Wiki says briefly " Walther's most severe injuries were to his hands — the fingers on his left hand had to be partially amputated, and those on his crushed right hand eventually healed into unnatural angles" so if it was him perhaps there's an element of urban legend to it.

I'm guessing Buford may be far more familiar with such a tale of old style racing guts.

Hurtubise hands were a horror show. More than just bent into a claw shape but covered with red raw bubbled skin. He said it scared children and well it scared me. He was missing the top part of his right pinkie and that half finger and the one next to it were webbed together like a duck's foot. He could use wrenches but clearly only had limited motion in his fingers. Mostly squeezing but not the ability to spread them apart or wiggle them. It was pretty gruesome.

Walther you never saw his hands they were always covered with black gloves. But you could see the fingers were short on one hand. Same with Kenyan always covered in a glove. In those days you identified the drivers by their burn scars, limps, and missing fingers.