[jeremycrpntr]

A couple pictures of Dan Wheldons fatal crash at Las Vegas in October of 2011. Very sad day for IndyCar. Lost a genuinely great man. I had the privelege of meeting the man several times and he truly was genuinely wonderful! It wasn't an act. The first pic is before he got into the catchfence. The second pic is the car as it is coming to a stop.

IndyCar officials said Dan's cockpit hit a fencepost and that is what killed him. I'm sure there is truth to this, but in all actuality, IMO, this damage, and what killed him, is actually from the cockpit hitting the top of the concrete wall at 170+ mph. They knew people would call for something to be done to prevent this from happening again, and to say it was a post would hush people, once they redesigned that. Unfortunately this is racing, and it is a risky business. Deaths happen. And they knew there is nothing that can really be done about keeping another guy from riding his head along the top of the concrete wall. I mean, its no big cover-up, but what they say isn't 100% truth! lol Just watch a video of it, and u can see his head and the cockpit ride along the top of the wall. Also, by the damage to the car behind his head in the 2nd pic, it's obvious that was more than a post that did that!

[jeremycrpntr]

Just a cool picture from my hometown dirt track, Bloomington Speedway. Dickie Gaines (son of Legend sprintcar driver Dick Gaines) ran over another sprint cars wheel and went airborn. He hit the flagmans stand (where the flagman was injured jumping out of the stand), then was on a direct path to come through the fence and IN TO the packed crowd... Luckily the lightpost caught the right front wheel and this is how the car stopped. Dickie was fine as I was BS'ing with him immediately after this. It took a backhoe and some chains to get the car down! lol Had the car not caught on the post this would've definitely hurt and more than likely killed a few spectators!

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by jeremycrpntr ↗

I know a guy very well that is on the Fire Rescue Crew at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and has been for years (Turn 2). He wasn't there in '82 but a couple guys he works with were and even before Dr. Olvey's book, I had heard it was spectacularly gruesome. It SHATTERED EVERY bone in his body, and I heard it was very tough to even handle the body cuz it was like mush...

The guy I know was one of the first on the scene of Tony Renna's fatal testing crash, and he has told me a LITTLE of the first-hand details. He's a full time firefighter and has seen a lot but said that he couldn't sleep well for a couple weeks after seeing that. From what he said it was similar to Smiley's crash, in that, pieces of him were stuck in the catch fence.

Awesome info brother

[AlvinKarpis]

Hunter Abbot: Oulton Park 2008

Non Fatal

[AlvinKarpis]

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[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by jeremycrpntr ↗

Deborah Renshaw smashed into him because she wasn't "driving any past the nose of her car".

Thats not the real reason

The real reason is that Deborah Renshaw has no business being in a race car

Let alone driving one on a track where real drivers go to work

That crash/death pisses me off more then anything

[jeremycrpntr]

Originally Posted by AlvinKarpis ↗

Thats not the real reason

The real reason is that Deborah Renshaw has no business being in a race car

Let alone driving one on a track where real drivers go to work

That crash/death pisses me off more then anything

Ditto, my man! I have been in a couple debates about this. The caution lights WERE on all around the track. Sure, she didn't have a spotter, but it is HER job to pilot that thing and look beyond the cockpit and nose of the car. This death was very sad as Martin was VERY talented, and it was ABSOLUTELY preventable!

[jeremycrpntr]

Another angle of the SprintCar hanging from the light pole. This one does the situation more justice. It shows where he would have ended up (in the crowd) had the pole not caught him and hung the car up...

[motorZEFF]

Originally Posted by AlvinKarpis ↗

I will assume that your talking about the Gordon Smiley study I did on page 11 post 102

But since you didnt quote or make reference to what picture or even crash your talking about its a stab in the dark assumption that took me hours and days of painstaking work to boil it down to the only wreck that I have ever seen where the steering wheel was ripped out of the drivers hands and went flying off

Thank you for making it easy for me, now on to your intelligent and thought provoking post


So you love the steering wheel flying away?

Why? Is it funny to you? Are you trying to be funny?

AK, really? you didn't have to spend hours on that post about the steering wheel flying away!! But thanks anyway, this thread kept me up the whole of last night.

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by motorZEFF ↗

AK, really? you didn't have to spend hours on that post about the steering wheel flying away!!

Thats true, I didnt have too

I really spent about 2 seconds on it, I was hoping that the post was dripping with enough sarcasm to send the poster into hiding for a couple decades