[gboy69]

great thread, pics and videos alvin - thanx for your time and effort

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by gboy69 ↗

assuming we are looking at indy car accidents between the late 70's and mid 90's, leg injuries were the more common. while the monocoque the driver sat in was getting stronger the front part was regularly destroyed. now they sit much further back in the car but back then, while the cars were getting much, much better they were still too far forward and the nose cones were not to the standard they are today
danny ongias 81, derek daly, rick mears 84, aj foyt, scott pruett 90, nelson piquet 92 and stan fox 95 were testament to that
danny, derek and stan all lost the front of their cars and had their legs hanging out probably nelson's too

f1 was similar in regard to safety as well, but an f1 car generally only does 300 on the straight and then brakes before it hits something. f1 accidents happen at varying speeds with sand traps, tyre barriers and the like, so it is a relatively safer sport
an indy on the other hand averages 300 and when it crashes it is always a big impact

edit - to my knowledge stan fox did not receive any real leg injuries from indy 95. he was knocked out on impact and amazingly, his limp legs were not badly damaged while getting flicked around other cars and the walls. he did recover from his serious head injuries but was killed in a road accident 5 years later

Thank you Gboy, you answered the question perfectly I have nothing really to add except the crashes we were talking about were 70s, 80s, and early to mid 90s

Most of the crashes Gboy mentioned are in the video that I just posted (im sure everyone has already watched, just a heads up)

Im working on a 1970s video as I type that is just like the 80s/90s vid I did yesterday

But until thats finished I will get some pics going

[AlvinKarpis]

Le Mans 1955

Here is the original Le Mans thread with an amazing clip of the 4 camera angles of the crash and slo-mo replays

http://www.documentingreality.com/fo...1955-a-109045/

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by DoubleZ1013 ↗

The way you can see his head roll after the crash was heartbreaking.

I remember the first time I saw it on TV I knew he was dead before the Sportscaster even said it was a fatal accident

It was horrible

Then the next day Senna dies

I started losing interest after that, and slowly stopped watching and caring

I only held on to the memories and only wanted to talk racing if it was before 1994

[Norwegian1]

wow... there is just one word for this... horrible...

[Goregyrl]

Crazy photos! Wow! Thanks. Good luck getting them back out "there" in video format. Any others that you have of horrible accidents, please post them. People want to know the truth. Even if it is horribly painful.

[medicineman360]

Originally Posted by gboy69 ↗

assuming we are looking at indy car accidents between the late 70's and mid 90's, leg injuries were the more common. while the monocoque the driver sat in was getting stronger the front part was regularly destroyed. now they sit much further back in the car but back then, while the cars were getting much, much better they were still too far forward and the nose cones were not to the standard they are today
danny ongias 81, derek daly, rick mears 84, aj foyt, scott pruett 90, nelson piquet 92 and stan fox 95 were testament to that
danny, derek and stan all lost the front of their cars and had their legs hanging out probably nelson's too

f1 was similar in regard to safety as well, but an f1 car generally only does 300 on the straight and then brakes before it hits something. f1 accidents happen at varying speeds with sand traps, tyre barriers and the like, so it is a relatively safer sport
an indy on the other hand averages 300 and when it crashes it is always a big impact

edit - to my knowledge stan fox did not receive any real leg injuries from indy 95. he was knocked out on impact and amazingly, his limp legs were not badly damaged while getting flicked around other cars and the walls. he did recover from his serious head injuries but was killed in a road accident 5 years later

Thank you(!!) for that information. Very informative.

You mentioned up to the "mid 90's"... are the cars constructed better (safer) now? Again, I don't know enough about them to know any better.

Thanks, in advance, for any info.

[AlvinKarpis]

Originally Posted by medicineman360 ↗

Thank you(!!) for that information. Very informative.

You mentioned up to the "mid 90's"... are the cars constructed better (safer) now? Again, I don't know enough about them to know any better.

Thanks, in advance, for any info.

There have been many advances since I would say more early mid like 93-94, right after Senna and Ratzenberger died, the HANS Device http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HANS_device blew up and F-1, Indy, etc adapted it

If Ratzy had been wearing a HANS he most likely would have survived as he suffered a Basilar Skull Fracture (thats what the HANS prevents)

So many drivers have died of a BSF and HANS had reduced that number

More protective roll cages, better fire suits, bettere frames made of better alloys, better break away engine blocks

Stuff that was around back in the day but over time has been improved

[AlvinKarpis]

Stefan "The Deer Hunter" Johansson

[AlvinKarpis]

Im starting to find more screen shot studies I did years ago, trying to get a large screenshot with out destroying the resolution. These obviously are low quality, but it was the best I could do at the time

Fire Marshal Jansen Van Vuuren: Kyalami 1977