[RetireeGeorge]

I live in Australia and we enjoy a safer environment because of gun laws. I would support a ban on pit bulls. I understand that any dog can become dangerous. I also understand the need for taking responsibility. But it isn't necessary for us to keep pets with special fighting capabilities. Our environment is a collectively determined thing. If a child can safely walk to school is collectively determined by the community. Breeds that have specific dangerous characteristics should be carefully considered because without extreme care they can injure, maim or kill innocent passers by. Simply, keeping fighting dogs in suburban environments doesn't "work". People aren't stupid - pitt bulls have a reputation for a reason. It's a shame that that they are also genuinely the most loving animals with their owner. I'd still prefer they were at least accompanied by special requirements for anyone wanting to keep one. If you like that could be applied to german shepherds, rottweilers, dobermans and whichever breeds are statistically indicative of dangerous combinations of size, strength, bite force, attack instincts, defend instincts. Be wary of statistics that don't divide the number of attacks by the number of dogs of a certain breed in the community. ie there are a lot more labradors in the community that other breeds.
Also why not require pet owners to train an animal in order to get a code on their drivers license and require that code letter to have a dog over a certain weight - like 14kg (30 pounds).

[Pit Bull]

Originally Posted by ThatsNasty ↗

no my yard was fenced, i had a kennal for my german shep 20x 30. my ball rolled under the fence into the alley.
my german shepard was my first dog she was still a puppy at the time and not a guard dog.

dont you ever talk about my parents again. they are better people then you will ever be.

YOU put yourself in that position. i have had dogs since i was 4, german shepard,chow.sharpei and now a labradoodle.
have any of them ever bitten anyone other then playing ?
no.
if your a "expert" like you claim, you would know not to get between 2 dogs fighting/yank on the tails and the will stop immediatley.

how did i get under the fence? the property was normal length but almost 2x as wide. we had a double door fence with wheels to get our vehicles,dirtbikes and other large stuff out. so yea there had to be room for the fucking fence to open.

the only way you will change your point of view on pitbulls is if this happens to your kid.

i still have scars on my face from this, my nose was fucked.
theres a big difference of an adult getting stitches and a 4 year old almost hhaving his face ripped off.

and yea if my dad wasnt there, i probbably wouldnt be here.
this was 20 years ago, so yea everyday you look in the mirror and see the scars.


your friend is brilliant, isnt it illegal to have large wild cats as pets ? yea thats what i thought.

For starts I'll call your folks anything I want, IE your mums a crack whore and your dad is her crack headed compliment.

So the yard fence was not able to contain a dog or a child. Not much point to it then was there.

Sunshine I've owned pit bulls longer than you are old and my dogs have never bitten anyone or anything they weren't supposed .

Dog expert Sunshine , please explain to me how you will stop a Rotty fighting by pulling on his tail. All the Rottys I ever had any dealings with had docked tails. I think Labradoodles are right down your alley. ROFLMAO, Can you say Heinz 57.

I raised two kids and we always had pits. I had two when the boys were born and I had two when they moved out. I still have two.

Do you really remember what kind of dog bit you when you were four? I can't help but wonder why since you were only four when allegedly bitten and it was such a traumatic experience for you. I mean after all in your own words your face was half torn off. Why are you not just absolutely terrified of all dogs. I'm beginning to think you're just another bull shit pit hater. This sounds more and more like the lies that come from Dogs Bite.org.

The cats are legal, you really are uninformed aren't you? Big cats maybe illegal where ever the fuck in Dumbassville you come from but they're perfectly legal here.

[Pit Bull]

Originally Posted by RetireeGeorge ↗

Also why not require pet owners to train an animal in order to get a code on their drivers license and require that code letter to have a dog over a certain weight - like 14kg (30 pounds).

The only way I would support legislation such as this would be if the law was not breed specific. Every dog regardless of breed over 30 pounds. You do realize the some of the smaller dogs are far meaner than the dogs you want to ban. I would never support an all out ban on any specific breed.

I have to differ on another of your statements but the gun thing is best left for another thread.

[ThatsNasty]

Originally Posted by Pit Bull ↗

For starts I'll call your folks anything I want, IE your mums a crack whore and your dad is her crack headed compliment.

So the yard fence was not able to contain a dog or a child. Not much point to it then was there.

Sunshine I've owned pit bulls longer than you are old and my dogs have never bitten anyone or anything they weren't supposed .

Dog expert Sunshine , please explain to me how you will stop a Rotty fighting by pulling on his tail. All the Rottys I ever had any dealings with had docked tails. I think Labradoodles are right down your alley. ROFLMAO, Can you say Heinz 57.

I raised two kids and we always had pits. I had two when the boys were born and I had two when they moved out. I still have two.

Do you really remember what kind of dog bit you when you were four? I can't help but wonder why since you were only four when allegedly bitten and it was such a traumatic experience for you. I mean after all in your own words your face was half torn off. Why are you not just absolutely terrified of all dogs. I'm beginning to think you're just another bull shit pit hater. This sounds more and more like the lies that come from Dogs Bite.org.

The cats are legal, you really are uninformed aren't you? Big cats maybe illegal where ever the fuck in Dumbassville you come from but they're perfectly legal here.

ok. thanks for your IP have fun doing any banking onNLINE.

LABRADOODLE- rescued from a shelter.
cropping tails animal cruelty much ? i hope your wife chops off your wang, you are a fuckin stain on american society and the reason the world doesnt liek usa idiot redneckss liek you, ireally do hope the mexicans take back cali , ill be there filming you gettin assraped :) (for your home enjoyment)

ican travel wherever i want , can you ?

why am i not terrified ? its called talking to a psychiatrist and yes i live in a city where pitbulls are banned and will be destroyed.
want a picture of my nose you stupid fuck ?
and my chin and cheek where the fangs stuck in ?
the dime size whole i had under my lip ?
yruely i feel sorry for anyone related to you, your a fucking goof, that in all reality probably has a babydick and the need to let everyone know this by being a complete piece of shit your whole fucking life.
ps crawl in a hole and die you dirty fucking american.

PPS, i wanted a dog that would be safe around kids, as there is a family daycare next door,i wouldnt want what happened to me happen to any other kid.

[Pit Bull]

Originally Posted by ThatsNasty ↗

ok. thanks for your IP have fun doing any banking onNLINE.

LABRADOODLE- rescued from a shelter.
cropping tails animal cruelty much ? i hope your wife chops off your wang, you are a fuckin stain on american society and the reason the world doesnt liek usa idiot redneckss liek you, ireally do hope the mexicans take back cali , ill be there filming you gettin assraped :) (for your home enjoyment)

ican travel wherever i want , can you ?

why am i not terrified ? its called talking to a psychiatrist and yes i live in a city where pitbulls are banned and will be destroyed.
want a picture of my nose you stupid fuck ?
and my chin and cheek where the fangs stuck in ?
the dime size whole i had under my lip ?
yruely i feel sorry for anyone related to you, your a fucking goof, that in all reality probably has a babydick and the need to let everyone know this by being a complete piece of shit your whole fucking life.
ps crawl in a hole and die you dirty fucking american.

PPS, i wanted a dog that would be safe around kids, as there is a family daycare next door,i wouldnt want what happened to me happen to any other kid.

I just had a big reply all ready to go and then I realized you're from Canada. I just erased it all because you can't help being deficient. You have a legitimate excuse and are forgiven.

You might want to start writing letters to your politicians at home because at least one province in Canada is considering repealing the pit ban.

Just for your information tho.....Proof read and spell check so that you don't look quite as stupid.

[sally1976]

These dogs are the best dogs anyone could have around children .they protect their owners till death there the most loyal,loving dogs.I had one for years she had a lovely temprement , its the way these dogs are raised which makes them who they are

[Desensitisation]

Guess I'll pitch in my two cents worth as a veterinarian, and dog behaviourist who has rehomed numerous "dangerous breed" dogs:

Pit Bulls, and Pit Bull-types are over-represented in reports and attacks for a variety of reasons. They are owned by a demographic that often have no clue about raising said dogs, encourage them in inappropriate ways, misuse their natural abilities, and as a result we see the result: A "dangerous" breed. Before Pit Bulls, it was German Shepherds, and before them, Rottweilers.

It is their combination of innate abilities that does make them a potentially more dangerous dog than many others. They don't have the strongest bite force of all dogs, but their tenacity and higher pain threshhold overall makes them more persistent in their activities. They have a naturally high predatory and guarding instinct. These are all facts that cannot be ignored with the breed. Whilst it's true a Greyhound has a much stronger innate predatory instinct, a Jack Russel terrier is often more tenacious, and a Mastiff has stronger jaws, the Pit Bull has a combination of all these things individually to a lesser degree, but the whole is greater than the sum of those individual parts, as it were.

There is also one small correction to make to the original facts: Pit Bulls, sadly, are over-represented, more prone, to geriatric cognitive dysfunction, a condition all elderly dog breeds can suffer from, but that is more commonly in this breed, along with Staffordshire Bull Terriers, and German Shepherds. It's a distressing condition that can see the animal lose their mental faculties, and become behaviourally unpredictable. Rage syndrome, an even rarer condition, complicates the matter. Other diseases such as amyloidosis (over-represented in Border Collies) and brain tumours (Boxers, Poodles, and German Shepherds over-represented) can affect the brain as well.

Does this mean I would want to see the breed wiped out? No. Not at all. Because the fact is, with training, with appropriate care, and attention, this breed is an excellent companion animal, just like any other dog. The problem is, most of the Pit Bulls that are involved in attacks are not housed properly, not trained properly, and owned by people who do not have the ability or knowledge to handle a strong breed of dog. The poor fellow here on the boards that had his face bitten by one reaching for a ball under the fence is a good example of inappropriate fencing, but also demonstrates a combination of the territorial and predatory behaviour that any dog can have; certainly, the dog shouldn't have been wandering in the lane by itself.

Besides, suggesting that a breed be wiped out will do precisely nothing except shift the attention of people onto the next easy target breed of dog. Until the general public is educated enough to know how to care for a big-breed and potentially dangerous dog, of any breed, we're going to keep on hearing about such-and-such a breed being a menace to society.

In an interesting related note, 90% of all damage done by a dog bite is done when a person attempts to pull away from a dog. However, I'm sure you've all seen dogs with their toys who have grabbed them, and then flick their head around wildly, mauling it. It's kind of hard to avoid the damage that does, but the technique that is best used with a dog who is biting you? Stay still. Stay quiet. The sad fact is, try explaining that to a child, or many adults. They squeal. They cry out. They run. All of which appeals to the predatory nature of many dog breeds, and not just Pit Bulls. The number of times I've asked a parent to leave their children outside of the consult room or the yard I'm working with a dog in because kids will be kids. And dogs will be dogs.

For the record: I've been bitten over a hundred times by Chihuahuas, Jack Russels, Tenterfield Terriers, and Malteses. I've been bitten once by a German Shepherd, once by an Akita Inu, and in both of those cases, the dog was telling me something very easy to understand and that was avoided in the future through very simple training and understanding upon my part. Of over fifty Pit Bulls I've worked with, none have ever bitten me. Luck? Certainly, there is some in there, but I'll tell you now: Whilst the Pit Bull is certainly the most tenacious of many breeds of dog, they are not the most aggressive. There's an entire section of the behavioural medicine world that is dedicated to understanding why a dog bites someone in the first place, and in the majority of cases, it's because the human is communicating something to the dog that says, quite clearly, "Bite me." Sadly, yes, there are those dogs who will attack without such provocation, thanks to mishandling, bad experiences in previous life, and even breeding lines that have a genetic predisposition to anxiety, and that affects every breed of dog. But the rarest of of all dog bites? The dog that bites because it is "just mean". I've met precisely one dog in my life that was born "just mean". I euthanised him at the age of 6 months of age because his behaviour was erratic, unbalanced, and completely abnormal. On post mortem, it was discovered he had amyloid deposits in the brain.

The vast majority of bad dogs are made bad by us. Don't blame the breed for our irresponsibility.

[woodsider]

well ive had 3 jacks all called brandy a doberman called ben who got poisoned and my best dog ever lucky my pit bull as for aggressive by far was the jacks my pit was trained well and was just part of the family lived a long happy life

[matmcd78]

My pit is the only female thats stood, unconditionally, by my side for the last twelve years. She's been here through two divorces, several shitty jobs and some of the darkest times of my long life. I raised her from a pup and love her more than anything in this life. Never asks for anything and is always happy to see me. People can learn alot from a pit.

[dantheread]

Those are the 20 nice pit bulls in the world. The rest are killers. haha jk