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07-10-2023, 06:23 AM
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Re: Will Russia Use Nukes?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/24/u...offensive.html Support will not ‘stop’ but it will scaled down to the point where the Ukraine cannot continue their attacks on their former republics. Machine gun nests are defensive; in the case of another (failed) Ukrainian assault on the nuclear power plant, the machine gun nests will wipe out any Ukrainians that might break through the other defences. What is forbidden is to plan operations from there, or amass troops like in the hotel next to the infamous pizza place, or have offensive weapons there like artillery or whatnot. But defensive is allowed according to international right. Any attack on the plant is not allowed though, so storming it is not allowed if russia were to do it, or frowned upon if it were Ukraine. See also the actual IAEA statements: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pres...ion-in-ukraine |
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07-10-2023, 02:50 PM
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Ok, so your source for this is just the western media that you consistently criticize but quote when it [kind of] supports your claims. You've said it more than a few times that the west will stop sending military aid to Ukraine if they DO make any advances or have any major victories. I see nothing in there about anyone talking about scaling anything down other than an elusive and conjecting title. What I have heard from multiple leaders who have been supporting them is one phrase; "as long as it takes". All it says that could even remotely be connected is that Putin is willing to continue this war believing time is on his side. He's hoping there will be a point when Ukraine stops receiving aid from the west. The journalists that wrote the article then speculate that it could come to a stalemate due to Putin's desire to keep going and Zelenskyy's desire not to hold peace talks until Ukraine has regained territory. Show me reports or statements by the top officials in any western government that say anything to the effect of "if Ukraine makes any gains in the counter offensive and the money/military aid stops" or stop saying it. By doing so, you're implying that the west really wants them to lose the war... and that is just not factual and doesn't logically make sense at all. What are you talking about? It's common knowledge that Russia has turned ZNPP into an actual military base. Why wouldn't they knowing that Ukraine will be reluctant to attack them there due to the obvious? There are (or were) a mass of troops there. They were sleeping there. They turned some of the plant into barracks and there is definitely lots of military equipment is/was stored there.  There's been video and satellite images of all of this and first hand witness statements from workers of the plant. I think Russia has been doing a lot of cleaning up at the plant in the last 2-3 months. There was a couple of weeks where lots of reports of Russia forcing civilians to evacuate the area, abandoning military post offices and removing all their computers and equipment. This was right before they blew up the dam. I have no doubt they "prepped" the plant for a quick "tactical retreat" if they should feel the need. This means cleaning up the site just enough for Rossi to come and inspect. They're not allowing him access to the roof, however. Russia was false flagging the fuck out of the plant for the first 10 months it occupied it. Russia doesn't give a fuck about what is allowed and what is not allowed but I digress. I have to remember I am talking to someone who thinks Bucha was an inside job/faked and supports using nuclear weapons.
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07-22-2023, 04:25 AM
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Russia has still not allowed the UN nuclear watchdog to inspect the rooftops of the Zaporizhzhia power plant - two weeks after "essential access" was requested. A small IAEA team based at the plant, which is the biggest in Europe, has been trying to verify the accusations, but they are still awaiting access to the rooftops of the reactor buildings. The team has not yet been granted requested access to the roofs of the reactors and their turbine halls, including units 3 and 4 which are of particular interest. The Agency continues to request such access. |
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07-22-2023, 01:04 PM
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Come to think of it, if Russia DID do a false flag attack, the roofs would be the best choices; the reactors are already shut down, and the roofs are the sturdiest and would cause the least of damage and especially no fallout or anything. So while we would have seen satellite images on CNN with the mined rooftops if it were true. At the same time; they would never be fully operational again in the short term. So Ukraine would do it if the know the area is lost forever. And Russia could do it if they are forced to retreat. The objective would be decommissioning of the plan not nuclear disaster. Anyway that is my non-biased objective analysis for July 22nd 2023. Personally I think Ukraine will do it, but objectively they both could have their tactical reasons |
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07-23-2023, 06:43 AM
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Russia has intensified repressions against Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) employees in the temporarily occupied city of Enerhodar in Zaporizhzhia Oblast for refusing to cooperate and sign contracts with the Russian occupying administration. The staff from Rosgravdia (Russian National Guard) and the Russian FSB (Federal Security Service) are using intimidation, threats, and blackmail, as well as physically assaulting Ukrainian specialists, taking away their cash and bank card funds, and confiscating mobile phones. Wednesday, July 5, 2023.   Earlier that same day.  #znpp |
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07-23-2023, 02:43 PM
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Is that Twitter or CNN as I believe that would qualify as world news
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07-24-2023, 04:49 AM
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I just clicked CNN and it says “Ukraine warns that Russia bla bla” It should say: “BREAKING: satellite images show Russia mined the reactor” Not a single one of those links have anything like that, unless it came from the non-banned Ukrainian news outlets |
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07-24-2023, 02:16 PM
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You'll have to call CNN and talk to them about their choice of wording. Perhaps you can consider the sheer number of articles talking about it rather than the lack of fearmongering headlines you're looking for. The whole point is you said this is not world news. I proved you're wrong. Now you're nitpicking about the wording.  GTFO.
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