[iARTEMx]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Just interesting which part of UA you are from, so to understand if common grounds can be found, I’m from Krimea, so there are none I assume, beside the fact that I’ve never supported this invasion and called Putin a murderer.

Everyone can have his point of view.
That's not mean automaticaly to be enemies.
There are some "Darwinian rules" (very easy to understand them, that's why I call it like this) in this world which almost all world follows: what's true, what's wrong and what's good or bad. Also in this case we can see what's good or bad, or what's true or wrong.
Everything in this world has two faces: coin, good and bad, true false etc., so once one choice to stay on one side, he cannot stay on other side or in the middle. That's the problem, but anyone can undersrand tha he's staying on the wrong side and change it.
I do not support this war, I'll tell you more, it even have nothing with me since I'm already Italian Citizen, but I still have a lot of my friends and family there so for me it is a bad situation.
In the end of story, you see that ruzzia attack Ukraine for his territories, that's all. Everyone seeing it, that's why almost all world support Ukraine.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by iARTEMx ↗

Everyone can have his point of view.
That's not mean automaticaly to be enemies.
There are some "Darwinian rules" (very easy to understand them, that's why I call it like this) in this world which almost all world follows: what's true, what's wrong and what's good or bad. Also in this case we can see what's good or bad, or what's true or wrong.
Everything in this world has two faces: coin, good and bad, true false etc., so once one choice to stay on one side, he cannot stay on other side or in the middle. That's the problem, but anyone can undersrand tha he's staying on the wrong side and change it.
I do not support this war, I'll tell you more, it even have nothing with me since I'm already Italian Citizen, but I still have a lot of my friends and family there so for me it is a bad situation.
In the end of story, you see that ruzzia attack Ukraine for his territories, that's all. Everyone seeing it, that's why almost all world support Ukraine.

If it was only this simple. Life is not black and white, history and truth for different nations and people can be different. I’ve never supported Maidan and hate that government and I do blame them too for what’s going on right now. but I would never call in on full Russian invasion. But I have an AC guy here in Miami, and he’s from Avdeevka I think, his neighbors teenage son got snipped down and killed while playing with his dog in a backyard. Now, his parents lost several of their friends due to UA army shelling. He hates UA now with all his heart and yes he was happy that Russia came to protect them, from the UAF bombs and all. While for you they are animals and “you bombed us 8 years” is funny, for some it has been their life and constant survival mode ever since Turchinov launched anti terror operation against his own people. And this is where is the root of the problems, we fail to understand each other. We failed to talk it out and failed to shake the hands.

[iARTEMx]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

If it was only this simple. Life is not black and white, history and truth for different nations and people can be different. I’ve never supported Maidan and hate that government and I do blame them too for what’s going on right now. but I would never call in on full Russian invasion. But I have an AC guy here in Miami, and he’s from Avdeevka I think, his neighbors teenage son got snipped down and killed while playing with his dog in a backyard. Now, his parents lost several of their friends due to UA army shelling. He hates UA now with all his heart and yes he was happy that Russia came to protect them, from the UAF bombs and all. While for you they are animals and “you bombed us 8 years” is funny, for some it has been their life and constant survival mode ever since Turchinov launched anti terror operation against his own people. And this is where is the root of the problems, we fail to understand each other. We failed to talk it out and failed to shake the hands.

Divide et impera

[iARTEMx]

WhiskeyOutpost - sorry for a small OT. But at least we, here, with duntez cleared some ideas about eachother

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

If it was only this simple. He hates UA now with all his heart and yes he was happy that Russia came to protect them, from the UAF bombs and all. While for you they are animals and “you bombed us 8 years” is funny...

Well, his hate is directed in the wrong place. He should ask, why was UA "bombing them for 8 years". Why didn't UA bomb them in 2010 for example? UA would not have bombed or shot anyone if Russia hadn't sent in its green men and sowed the seeds of conflict. Russia betrayed Ukraine, its former brotherly nation, for the benefit of raising the führer's popularity.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Well, his hate is directed in the wrong place. He should ask, why was UA "bombing them for 8 years". Why didn't UA bomb them in 2010 for example? UA would not have bombed or shot anyone if Russia hadn't sent in its green men and sowed the seeds of conflict. Russia betrayed Ukraine, its former brotherly nation, for the benefit of raising the führer's popularity.

He was looking at Maidan and how savages were taking power and destroying his country