Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread VII

**kellyhound** · #**181** ● 02-16-2024, 06:05 PM

Ukrainian intelligence knows who poisoned spy chief's wife and hints at countermeasures in Russia.

Kyrylo Budanov, Head of Ukraine’s Defence Intelligence (DIU), has said that he knows who is behind the poisoning of his wife, Marianna, and hints that Ukraine will take countermeasures in Russia.

Source: Budanov in an interview with the French outlet Liberation

Quote: "My wife is feeling better. Since I did not drink poison, it is difficult for me to say whether it was an attempt to murder me.

But I have already survived many assassination attempts and will probably survive many more. I think that in the near future you will see retaliatory actions on Russian territory, and everyone will understand this."

Details: When asked if he knew who was responsible for the poisoning, Budanov shortly replied, "Of course I do!"

Background: On 28 November 2023, Ukrainska Pravda’s sources reported that Budanov’s wife was diagnosed with heavy metal poisoning. It was noted that she was alive and had undergone the first stage of treatment.

Later, Andrii Yusov, a representative of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine, stated that this information was true.

One of Ukrainska Pravda’s sources stated that Marianna Budanova and several DIU employees were poisoned with arsenic and mercury. DIU said that it was investigating the incident itself.

Guns N' Coffee · #**182** ● 02-16-2024, 06:25 PM

The Independent

Tucker Carlson criticised for praising Putin before Navalny death: ‘Leadership requires killing people’

Just a few days before the announcement of the death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, Tucker Carlson defended his interview with President Vladimir Putin, saying that “leadership requires killing people”.

The death of Mr Navalny was announced on Friday, 16 February.

On Monday, 12 February, the former Fox News host appeared at the World Government Summit in Dubai. He was interviewed by Egyptian journalist Emad El Din Adeeb, who asked: “Comparing the culture, the competence between Vladimir Putin and [US President Joe] Biden, how do you see the two men now running the world?”

“If this were boxing the fight would be called by the medic,” Carlson said, according to watchdog Media Matters.

“So, and I say that as an American, and I don’t have another passport, I don’t plan to ever leave my country, my family’s been there hundreds of years and I love it and I am a patriotic American and I grieve when I see that the president is non compos mentis,” he added, using a Latin phrase meaning “of unsound mind”.

“The most radicalizing thing I would just say for me in the eight days I spent in Moscow was not simply the leader of the country who of course is impressive, it’s the largest landmass in the world and it’s wildly diverse, linguistically, culturally, religiously, it’s hard to run a country like that for 24 years, whether you like it or not,” Carlson argued. “So an incapable person couldn’t do that, he is very capable and many of you know him and you know that.

“What was radicalizing, very shocking and very disturbing for me was the city of Moscow, where I’d never been, the biggest city in Europe, 13 million people. And it is so much nicer than any city in my country, I had no idea,” he claimed.

“You should challenge in the roles of an interview, and you’re a master in your business,” Mr Adeeb said. “It’s not for me to give you a lecture about that, but you should challenge some ideas. For instance, you didn’t talk about freedom of speech in Russia, you did not talk about [Alexei] Navalny, about assassinations, about restrictions on opposition in the coming elections.”

“I didn’t talk about the things that every other American media outlet talks about,” Mr Carlson said.

Asked why, he said: “Because those are covered and because I have spent my life talking to people who run countries in various countries and have concluded the following: that every leader kills people, including my leader. Every leader kills people, some kill more than others. Leadership requires killing people, sorry, that’s why I wouldn’t want to be a leader.

“That press restriction is universal in the United States, I know because I’ve lived it. Ask my former – I’ve had a lot of jobs.

“And I’ve done this for 34 years and I know how it works and there’s more censorship in Russia than there is in the United States but there is a great deal in the United States.

“And so at a certain point, it’s like people can decide whether they think, what countries they think are better, what systems they think are better. I just want to know what he thinks, that was the whole point.”

Following the announcement of Mr Navalny’s death in a Russian prison, Carlson faced widespread criticism for his comments defending Mr Putin.

Meghan McCain, a former co-host of The View, said: “Don’t forget that Putin’s favorite useful idiot Kremlin propagandist Tucker Carlson didn’t give a s*** about Navalny’s life when asked about him a few days ago.”

Liz Cheney, a former House Republican leader who was ousted for her strong criticisms of former President Donald Trump, called out Carlson and Ohio Republican Senator JD Vance.

Regarding the death of the opposition leader, she said on X: “This is what Putin’s Russia is, Tucker Carlson. And you are Putin’s useful idiot. Same with you @JDVance1 and other Putin-wing Republicans who are working to defeat Ukraine in its struggle for freedom.”

The US-born British businessman Bill Browder, whose friend Sergei Magnitsky was killed in a Russian prison after he uncovered a state-sanctioned tax fraud, predicted a cover-up over the death of Mr Navalny. He wrote on X: “Navalny was fine yesterday. We should expect a full Magnitsky style cover-up from the Russian government in short order. I can almost predict the language they will use: ‘natural causes’, ‘no sign of violence’ ‘unexpected death’ etc.”

“Putin killed Navalny. I call on Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk for comment,” Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a Russian opposition leader and former oligarch living in exile in London – and who was himself jailed after falling out with Mr Putin – said on X.

“Alexei Navalny was murdered by Vladimir Putin Trump, Tucker Carlson, Ron Johnson, Tommy Tuberville and the other Russian w***** loose in our land made it possible It is time we held them all accountable,” broadcaster Keith Olbermann wrote.

Former Republican strategist Stuart Stevens, now of the Lincoln Project, said: “The world will be pointing to the murder of Navalny and trying to shame Trump’s party for supporting Putin.

“It won’t work. Trump wants Putin’s power. He is in court demanding immunity to murder opponents. Violence is at the core of Trumpism.

“As Tucker Carlson makes clear, Trump supporters look at Russia and ask, ‘Why can’t America be Russia?’ They hate the America we love. They must be defeated.”

“Navalny is dead. Tucker Carlson interviewed his murderer last weekend and never even asked. Tommy Tuberville and all the other Republican Putin lobbyists in Congress must condemn their master. Pass the damn bill,” podcaster Fred Wellman said in reference to the Ukraine aid stalled in Congress.

“Hey Tucker Carlson, while you’re hanging out in Russia, please go ask Alexei Navalny if ‘Russians have it so much better than Americans.’ Oh…I’m sorry, you can’t. Navalny is dead. Putin killed him,” former Republican Congressman Joe Walsh wrote.

“After poisoning, imprisoning and torturing his leading opposition leader Navalny, Putin has murdered him. Tucker never mentioned him to Putin and Trump has never uttered his name. Putin fans in America are all scum. Every last one of you,” former Republican attorney Ron Filipkowski, who left the party after the Capitol riot, wrote.

ebare96933 · #**183** ● 02-16-2024, 11:37 PM

I notice a rather disturbing amount of people who seem to think Ukraine is “kicking ass”, with endless frothing-at-the-mouth praise for them. Massive hopium injections going on in this chat for sure.

I was just curious how your constant belief in the western propaganda that Ukraine is “winning” jives with the reality of Avdiivka getting liberated today by the Russ, with 4,000 Ukrainian troops trapped behind enemy lines, awaiting certain death?

Unbelievably stupid move by the Ukrainians and the creeper Zelensky, they prioritized a propaganda victory more than calmly planning a withdrawal to save their soldiers weeks ago when the Fatal Cauldron was formed.
“We shall not give one inch of territory to the Russians” is their motto, but the only people who get to speak like that are strong armies that have a hope of success.

I just hope there are a lot of sad people in this chat soon once you see the news and realize everything you believe is a lie, propagated by western pedos and billionaires.

Roosta · #**184** ● 02-17-2024, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by ebare96933 ↗

I notice a rather disturbing amount of people who seem to think Ukraine is “kicking ass”, with endless frothing-at-the-mouth praise for them. Massive hopium injections going on in this chat for sure.

I was just curious how your constant belief in the western propaganda that Ukraine is “winning” jives with the reality of Avdiivka getting liberated today by the Russ, with 4,000 Ukrainian troops trapped behind enemy lines, awaiting certain death?

Unbelievably stupid move by the Ukrainians and the creeper Zelensky, they prioritized a propaganda victory more than calmly planning a withdrawal to save their soldiers weeks ago when the Fatal Cauldron was formed.
“We shall not give one inch of territory to the Russians” is their motto, but the only people who get to speak like that are strong armies that have a hope of success.

I just hope there are a lot of sad people in this chat soon once you see the news and realize everything you believe is a lie, propagated by western pedos and billionaires.

Another Pro Ruskie Shill !

Your masters thought that this would be a 3 day SMO, yet here we are almost two years after the start of their genocide campaign & your holier than though overall objective to destroy the ppl, history & culture of the ppl of Ukraine has & is failing to make any significant gains & you think that by the current situation in Avdiivka, which was handed over by the way & not won, after Zelensky ordered the withdrawal of his troops, that it's the end of the war, lol.
Maybe you should jump on a plane & go over to your child stealing pals, that's if you're not already there in a que to suck poo tins cock !

scorpion9 · #**185** ● 02-17-2024, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by ebare96933 ↗

I notice a rather disturbing amount of people who seem to think Ukraine is “kicking ass”.

That's because Ukraine IS kicking ass...and they are kicking ass big time. You seem to fail to comprehend how lopsided this war is, and still, Ukraine is holding back the "second army in the world", causing hundreds of thousands of russian nazis to fertilize the soil.
Any outcome that denies Russia the capture of Ukraine is a win for Ukraine and an embarrassing loss for the nazis.

ride · #**186** ● 02-17-2024, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by ebare96933 ↗

I just hope there are a lot of sad people in this chat soon once you see the news and realize everything you believe is a lie, propagated by western pedos and billionaires.

Hey, welcome to the thread. Leave.