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Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

We’ve seen big-A Atheism take on the same Crusades as the theistic Churches of history, and it’s proven to be even more deadly.

Perhaps you should log off for a spell.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by daveywavey10 ↗

Orderling get back to cleaning my Rifles for me. I was top in the world at spec ops

Here it is old daveywavey.
I still can't get over the fact that you called yourself that .

The top thing your good at is being a dickhead so fuck off to your Playstation or Xbox n live out your fantasies there with your Spec Ops shit.
Fuckin Clown. Spec Ops
Stolen Valour more like !

[WhiskeyOutpost]

So as it turns out watching skorpion9 wreck religious nutters is entertaining

[Roosta]

I was going to say something, but he did an awesome job shutting those fuckers down.

Very entertaining indeed !

[MajorDonkey]

I love watching street interviews of Russians and seeing what cowards they are when a camera is put in their faces. So afraid of their government, "nobody is political" is Russia LOL.

[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Thats a lie.
If your god is a book character, then you are part of a religion.

The God i recognize is not a “book character”. He is our Creator, and others have written books that they claim are about him, but I cannot verify their veracity, so I cannot attest to whether that is really Him in those books or not.

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

And that is stupid by definition and rules out the possibility for any real god. A real god would not do anything as stupid as speaking his super important message to 1 guy, in one language, in one tribe and pretending that it's the "messge for the whole world" and "its super important message". It's obviously bullshit.
God would have to be more intelligent than an average person. I assume you agree with that...right? Or is your god more stupid than an average human?
If god is more intelligent than a human, then god would come up with a better way to spread his message to the world than any human ever could. Now, here is my solution to the "spreading the super important message to the world"
1) God speaks to all the people, all at once, in their respective languages, therefore eliminating any possible translation errors.
2) All done, a real God doesn't need any further steps.

Now, this, WhiskeyOutpost, is a perfect example of a strawman argument- so now you have one for reference.

You’ll note that I never said that I believed that God only spoke to Abraham and that all the rest of us were to take what his descendants wrote down about it. I simply said that I believe that God is the God who spoke to Abraham.

Therefore, our friendly neighborhood NPC invented something, claiming that I said it, and used it to construct an easy argument against something that I did not say. That entire section is mooted by its reliance on a strawman fallacy.

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Now, compare that to your cult god.
1) He whispers his super important message to 1 guy, in one language, in one tribe.
2) That guy spends his lifetime, wandering around deserts, never getting beyond the confines of Middle East.
3) The guy dies. 99.99% of the world still doesnt know about the word of god.
4) Centuries go by and another guy comes along and claims to speak for god.
5) He spends his lifetime spreading the word, and never reaches further than the few tribes in the Middle East.
6) The Roman Empire sees how useful the "word of god" is for controlling the masses and starts to spread it within its borders.
7) The worlds largest and most violent cult is born.
8) The world of god is spread through coercion and brutal violence for thousands of years.
9) The word of god still hasn't reached most of the world and numerous translations have botched shit up.
10) Other men want in on the action and start adding sequels to the books. Each sequel claims to be the only truth...yet, are obviously lies.
11) It's the year 2023, God's word still hasn't spread to the whole planet and the parts that have, have split the cult into countless conflicting factions. Still, noone believes any of the "gods word" without coersion, indoctrination or violence.

This, too, relying on the strawman you constructed above. But, I will add that God does speak to each of us, and it is a matter of whether or not we each, individually (under the principle of Free Will), choose to hear it.

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Hmm, now, let's think. Is the cult god real or not? Hmm. I bet no.
Even worse. The cult god uses heaven and hell as stick and carrot to herd sheep into their lots. It's exactly like we do to animals. Try with a carrot or a cookie. If it doesn't work, use a stick. It's humiliating that there are people who can't see through the obvious attempts to train people like animals.

But, shit gets even worse. Your cult god is self-contradictory, which makes its existence impossible.
Hell is incompatible with an all loving god. If a loving god exists, hell doesnt.
Perfect god would also have perfect creation. It wouldn't need some god damn quality control here on earth. I hate when religious nutters use arguments like "well, this earth is a testing ground, and god tests us." and then immediately follow that by saying that god is perfect and all knowing. All knowing god would already know that we failed the test and would not even commence with it. A perfect god wouldnt create something that needs testing. An omnipresent god would not be able to separate himself from us. An intelligent god would not spread his word by using an unnescessary mouthpiece.
And on and on it goes. The only way you can be religious is if you never actually read your cult books yourself, and if you never actually think about the cult doctrine.

I can’t speak to the existence of Hell, or even Heaven. I’ve never been to either, neither have been Addressed to me, and the only mention of either is in the form of others’ writing on what they claim that God said to them.

I tend to believe that, at least, Hell is a construct of the Church (read State) as a threat for breaking their rules. That is my suspicion, but I can’t say for sure.

So you are, of course, free to use that argument when your are virtue signaling your ordered daily two-minutes hate, but it doesn’t apply to a position I’ve ever taken, therefore is just another strawman of yours in context of a discussion with me.

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Im surprised that you are surprised.
Atheists dont shove their beliefs down anyones throats because they dont have "atheist beliefs". Atheism is an answer to a single question. It has no content. No beliefs.
Do you believe in Santa Claus? How much time to you spend shoving your anti-Santa beliefs down other peoples throats?
Answer that question and you see how riddiculous your argument is. Im from Estonia. The least religious country in the world. I can tell you that noone here speaks against religion, noone speaks for it either. It’s not a topic. Religion here is like belief in Santa Claus. It’s a boring topic that doesnt come up. Contrary to what yoru cult leaders claim, children arent taught to "hate god" in atheist families. Children arent simply indoctrinated in the first place. Noone talks to them about religion and noone tells them to hate it. Once they have grown up a bit( in their teens ) they can read the books themselves and make up their own mind. The reality is, that 8-9 year old is already smart enough to see through the bullshit of religions. This is why you were indoctrinated as a child, and you never got to chose your religion.

You, yourself, have claimed to have “deconverted” people of Faith. When a Christian (Church Christian) tells an atheist, who never asked, that they will go to hell if they don’t convert, one could label that “pushing religion down their throat.” Likewise, when NPCs such as yourself choose to shit on Faith, out of context, and out of disdain for Faith, you are attempting to shove your belief down the throats of others.

Should one ask your opinion on Faith, and you answer as an atheist, that is simple honest discourse. But, when you bring it up out of pocket and out of context, you are evangelizing your belief.

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I wonder in what parallel reality that took place? I've studdied history and im a history fan in genral, but i have never heard of any Atheist crusades. Strange. Its almost as if you are repeating your preprogrammed cult statemens( like the ones from W.L.Craig, or R.Comfort )

Nearly every example of attempted communism has been an atheist crusade.

When Philip I and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi took to war to put the world under their control, they did so under what they claimed as a mandate of their position. Their mandate, they claimed, required them to conquer others, make them submit to their beliefs and reject the beliefs they held before.

Both Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin claimed the same mandate, the mandate being that the State is supreme and that they, as heads of their respective atheist States, were justified in taking power over everything they could conquer- requiring that those under their power submit to the state and reject all other gods.

Any difference there is a difference without distinction.

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

One...

Too many.

Is there a mute or ignore option for you? Asking for a friend.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

WhiskeyOutpost, is a perfect example of a strawman argument- so now you have one for reference.

Nah, your misleading claim was a great example - you're fooling no one and your attempt at mental gymnastics is noted. You kinda remind me of a diet coke Faust honestly

[scorpion9]

Oh boy, you keep screwing up. It brings back the good old memories when i talked to religious nutters back in the day.
They were all like you( the elderly ones, young ones got rid of their cult membership quickly ). Everything you said just proved that you either werent capable of reading my arguments or simply decided to lie and make up crap yourself.

Let's begin.

The God I recognize is not a “book character”. He is our Creator, and others have written books that they claim are about him, but I cannot verify their veracity, so I cannot attest to whether that is really Him in those books or not.

Well, I can verify that your god IS a book character, just like Harry Potter is a book character. He lives in a book.
"...so I cannot attest to whether that is really Him in those books or not". Yeah, and if the god of the bible isn't an actual god, then guess what he is? He is a book character.
Just like all the other gods, living in all the other books.

I simply said that I believe that God is the God who spoke to Abraham.

Yes, that was my entire point, which you failed to comprehend with your old, broken brain.
A real god would not spread his "word" through single individuals. That would be stupid by definition. Why? Go read my original argument.
Your entire cult is based on the premise that god spoke to individuals and made them the middlemen, thus giving them power and control over all other men. No intelligent god would do something that stupid.
No human would do something that stupid either, if there were another option.

But, I will add that God does speak to each of us, and it is a matter of whether or not we each, individually (under the principle of Free Will), choose to hear it.

And I, along with billions of others will add that god doesn't speak to any of us. Again, competing and opposite religions have their gods talk to them, giving them opposite messages. Every religious person hears exactly what they want to hear. If you want to hate gays, god will tell you to hate gays. If you want to be tolerant and like gays, then god tells you to love your fellow man. And so on. If you were honest( which you are not allowed to be) then you would admit that god has never spoken anything to you. Even if you dilute the meaning of the word "speak" to the point where it means almost nothing. I've spoken to ex-religious people who think back to the moments when god spoke to them, and they told me that it was pretty much just their gut feeling or intuition that was "speaking to them". If thats how god speaks, then he is incompetent. Even a cat can speak more clearly than your god.

Also, since you mentioned free will - ill add that free will is mutually incompatible with an all-knowing god and his plan.
You can't have both.

I can’t speak to the existence of Hell, or even Heaven. I’ve never been to either, neither have been Addressed to me, and the only mention of either is in the form of others’ writing on what they claim that God said to them.

Oh, so, if what others have written about your god( the unholy books ) arent good enough for you to determine anything about your god, then...what can you tell me about your god? You cant use the cult books as reference in that case. Is your god a vengeful cunt? Does he want everyone to turn gay? What does he want? If you dont use the cult book as a reference then you cant know anything about your god and you pretty much stop being a theist. The reality is that you are cowering and refuse to stand up and defend your cult book. Thats why you evade the heaven and hell argument, thats why you evaded the point i made about god not being stupid enough to talk to single individuals.

You, yourself, have claimed to have “deconverted” people of Faith.

Nope, i deconverted people of reason. When a person loses their religion, they dont lose anything, they gain reason.
And, as i already explained, i didn't approach them. It wasnt me who started the conversation. They, the religious ones did. They threw their logical fallacies at me, and i beat back every one of their arguments, until they had nothing left and they - being honest - deconverted.

Likewise, when NPCs such as yourself choose to shit on Faith, out of context, and out of disdain for Faith...

There is no context for faith. Faith is a braindead state where a person acts based on a belief with no facts, no reasons, against all facts and reasons. And yes, everyone should riddicule people who willfully remain stupid.

Nearly every example of attempted communism has been an atheist crusade.

Again, this is standard church programming. An old man like you should know better.
Communists did what they did in the name of....guess what...communism. Wasnt that hard, was it now?
Noone in the history of mankind has done anything in the name of atheism. Saying otherwise is a nonsensical statement.
Atheism negates your cult god. It has no content and it answers one single question. If someone asks you "do you believe my book character?" and you say no, then you're an atheist. Thats it. There is no mandate to attack any country. There is no requirement to do anything. How can you not understand it? Did communists go on a crusade because they didn't believe in Santa Claus? If not, why?
And in all other cases, people do things for what they believe, not what they dont believe. Dictators do their evil shit for personal power, not for Atheism. Also, Atheists are the first ones to tell dictators to go fuck off. Religious ones are the ones who are content living under a celestial dictator and can easily transition into human dictatorship.


My last piece of advice - go read your cult book, from cover to cover, unsupervised. See for yourself, how stupid it is.
Saying that it has anything to do with god makes an absolute mockery of god.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Too many.

Is there a mute or ignore option for you? Asking for a friend.

Nope. Only with Jedi mind ignore. Mods can’t be put on ignore as members need to be able to see their messages.

Sometimes people will call others out on shit. Tell your friend to strap on a pair and be an adult.

Have a lovely day.