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typical Russians, all bark no bite. Soviet era junk
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That’s a good one

Ukrainians have at least leopards and use them, but where do the Neanderthals have "gloriously" T-14? on the drawing

when They will not have T-34, then will use catapults ������
Like people here would say : “WHATABOUTISM”

T-14 in the pockets of corrupted people I would say. But even then it’s not fare to compare the two since leopards came here from 80s. Yes some were heavily updated but still. Better to compare them with T-80BV or T-90 tbh. German army will start getting their new panthers or w/e maybe by the end of this decade?
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Lieutenant-colonel Denis Desyatnik of the national security of Ukr saying in his interview that maybe it is better to give Russia those territories since people there are proRussian. Preparation of population for a lost war peace treaty or personal opinion. Still wierd, especially when people go to jail for saying much less
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"A Ukrainian farmer refused to surrender his crops to the floods caused by the destruction of Kakhovka HPP.

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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V

Lieutenant-colonel Denis Desyatnik of the national security of Ukr saying in his interview that maybe it is better to give Russia those territories since people there are proRussian. Preparation of population for a lost war peace treaty or personal opinion. Still wierd, especially when people go to jail for saying much less
Doubt it he ( a guy born in Uzbekistan and having an israelian wife from Ukr origin) is a lt col of the gur.
https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/bkkhsbr29
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I just read an interesting article whereby Poo Tin says that he had a draft peace treaty but it was refused Im guessing that was because Ukraine said it wanted Russia out of all occupied territories.

Funny because above we see the Lt Col saying it might be better to let the Russians have that land seeing as the residents are pro russian.

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Doubt it he ( a guy born in Uzbekistan and having an israelian wife from Ukr origin) is a lt col of the gur.
https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/bkkhsbr29
Why you doubting him by his origin or race? Ukraine is multinational country. Zelenskiy after all is a Jew. I’m Ukrainian Korean for example. I don’t think GUR hires white Ukrs only
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V

THE FAILING COUNTEROFFENSIVE AND THE PEACE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN

With each passing day, it’s becoming clear that the Ukrainian counteroffensive is failing to achieve any of its originally stated objectives. Recall: the Biden administration’s bet was that the counteroffensive would roll back Russian territorial gains, cut the land bridge to Crimea, and force Russia to the negotiating table. That is almost certainly not going to happen. On the contrary, a stalemate is more likely, or even that Russia will take more territory and win the war, as Mearsheimer has predicted.

What are Biden’s options now? Either escalate or admit defeat. In preparation for NATO’s Vilnius Summit, Blinken has been floating a proposal to give “Israel status” to Ukraine. This means multi-year security guarantees including weapons, ammunition and money that would continue even if Biden loses the next election.

This is not what the American people signed up for. Many Americans supported the $100+ billion in appropriations for Ukraine believing it was a one-time deal to reverse Russian territorial gains. If they had been told that it was the basis for an annual appropriation in a new Forever War, they would have preferred an alternative, especially if they had known that one was available.

THE PEACE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN

New evidence is emerging that a peace deal was achievable at the beginning of the war. At a recent meeting with the African delegation, Putin showed the draft of an outline or preliminary agreement signed by the Ukrainian delegation at Istanbul in April 2022. It provided that Russia would pull back to pre-war lines if Ukraine would agree not to join NATO (but Ukraine could receive security guarantees from the West).

This document has not been publicly released yet, but no one seriously contests that it exists. The only dispute is over what happened subsequently; Ukraine (via reporting in Reuters) contends the deal fell apart. However, the availability of a deal based on Ukrainian Neutrality is consistent with previous comments from Naftali Bennett, who said a deal was attainable but rejected by the West.

Why would the West do this? Ukrainska Pravda (UP), a pro-Ukraine publication, reported in May 2022:

“As soon as the Ukrainian negotiators and Abramovich/Medinsky [the Russian negotiators], following the outcome of Istanbul, had agreed on the structure of a future possible agreement in general terms, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson appeared in Kyiv almost without warning. "Johnson brought two simple messages to Kyiv. The first is that Putin is a war criminal; he should be pressured, not negotiated with. And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not. We can sign (an agreement) with you (Ukraine), but not with him. Anyway, he will screw everyone over", is how one of Zelenskyy's close associates summed up the essence of Johnson's visit.”
pravda.com.ua/eng/articles/2…

Johnson (who must have been speaking not just for himself but for the Western alliance) wanted to pressure Putin, not make peace, and promised new weapons systems if Ukraine would keep fighting.

At the time of UP’s article, Ukraine appeared to be doing well, so UP portrayed Zelensky’s decision to accept Johnson’s offer as a smart gamble. Now, in hindsight, it looks like a disaster.

AFGHANISTAN REDUX?

I know some of you may find it hard to believe that the realities on the ground are so at odds with the mainstream media's coverage. But it’s worth recalling that the American public was assured for two decades that we were winning in Afghanistan. All of that reporting was revealed as a pack of lies when the Afghan army that we were supposedly “standing up” collapsed within a matter of weeks. At that point, the media stopped reporting on Afghanistan, just like it had stopped reporting on Iraq, instead of holding anyone accountable.

Unfortunately, it looks like we're headed for a similar kind of outcome in Ukraine. The only question is when, and how long Biden will be able to perpetuate a proxy war of choice that could have easily been avoided.

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