[marekparek]

Originally Posted by gn0sis11 ↗

both sides have contributed to the destruction of this dam. it's been attacked multiple times by both sides since as early as August 2022.

Ukraine hit it with HIMARS multiple times and the Russians blew up a part of it back in November as well.

Completely destroying this dam doesn't really make sense for the RU side because it has a direct negative impact on the water supply in Crimea. Also it puts the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant cooling water reserves in jeopardy, which the Russians control.

Without the war, this would not happen. Russian responsibility for blowing up the dam is 100%

[gn0sis11]

Originally Posted by marekparek ↗

Without the war, this would not happen. Russian responsibility for blowing up the dam is 100%

no war is one sided. there are no "good guys" in this conflict. or in pretty much any conflict. unlike the Marvel movies would have you believe

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by gn0sis11 ↗

Ukr didnt hit the dam just once, they pummeled it for months while Rus was using the road to supply Kherson. certainly not every shell landed on just the road.

Rus blew up a part of the dam in November as part of their retreat from Kherson.

both armies contributed to the weakening of the overall structure and destruction of the dam.

the left bank of the river, (russian side) was heavily fortified and mined. this flooding washes a lot of that away. the right bank, which ukr control is higher elevated and isn't getting flooded. overall, Ukr army benefits more from this flooding.

the 5 - 6 heavily fortified layers of 100s of kilometeres of defensive trench lines Rus built between Kherson and Crimea make the assault on Crimea unfeasible. Ukr doesnt have the manpower or resources at this time to overcome these defenses. no rus channel shows any signs of panicking.

You forgot to mention why Ukraine was hitting the dam in the first place. Not to destroy it but remove it from being used for resupply. Russians had to repair it at least 2 or 3 times if memory serves.

I disagree strongly that Ukraine stands to gain more by the dam's destruction.

This is Russia we're talking about - logic doesn't apply so I'm not sure why you're approaching it like this. They've shown on multiple occasions that they value senseless destruction, scorched earth and intimidation over everything else. When the water levels get lower east of the destroyed dam, the nuclear reactors at Energodar will be at risk of overheating. Which might be what Russia wants as they shelled their own there last year and comically tried to blame Ukraine for trying to start a radiological disaster. Artillery trajectories and one unexploded shell proved it. This is fully in Russia's playbook - do something awful and blame the other side. Then repair the dam and look like the heroes and pat themselves on the back on RT and Novaya Gazeta. Were you alive during the second Chechen war?

Never believe anything until the Kremlin denies it.

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I disagree strongly that Ukraine stands to gain more by the dam's destruction.

♣ Crimea without water.

♣ ZNPP without cooling.

♣ Most of the flooded area is under Russian control.

♣ All fortifications build by RF are now damaged.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by gn0sis11 ↗

no war is one sided. there are no "good guys" in this conflict. or in pretty much any conflict. unlike the Marvel movies would have you believe

Sounds like a lazy response. Thinking is hard, so "no one is good".

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

♣ Crimea without water.

♣ ZNPP without cooling.

♣ Most of the flooded area is under Russian control.

♣ All fortifications build by RF are now damaged.

Crimea without water - seems like a good convenient reason to leave Crimea if you already know you're going to leave it to Ukraine. Scorched earth policy is well used by Russia.

ZNPP without cooling - Russia shelled this nuclear power plant last year and tried to blame Ukraine. Clearly the safety of the area is not of their concern.

Russia doesn't care about the areas it has flooded - this makes it harder for Ukraine to cross the Dnipro and land significant forces for attack into Crimea.

As for your fourth point, refer to my third point.

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

ZNPP without cooling - Russia shelled this nuclear power plant last year and tried to blame Ukraine. Clearly the safety of the area is not of their concern.

ZNPP was/is under RU control. Why would they shell it?

[gn0sis11]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Sounds like a lazy response. Thinking is hard, so "no one is good".

i am Ukrainian. i think about this topic plenty.

Zelenskiy was paid to dance naked at private parties for Russia's elite like he did on public TV before he became president. Russian elites, Putin included are Satan worshiping pedos. this whole scheme is intertwined and messy beyond comprehension.

I can definitely go more in-depth about how there's no "good guys" here...

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by marekparek ↗

Without the war, this would not happen. Russian responsibility for blowing up the dam is 100%

Agree. Ukraine shelling in the Donbass, any air defence missiles that cause damage from shooting Russian missiles, this destruction. If there is now war by Russia to take territory none of this would be happening. They are definitely responsible for it and there is more and more evidence of that coming out by the minute. See the first video here: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7953947

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

ZNPP was/is under RU control. Why would they shell it?

It is still under RU control. Last year (and still today) Russia was trying pretty hard to scare the world into not giving Ukraine military aid. When ZNPP (nuclear plant) got shelled Russia instantly starting saying it was Ukraine. But there's quite a bit of evidence that suggests Russia shelled it so they could blame Ukraine, so people would stop helping them. This tactic has been used by Russia in the past.