[WonderMomma]

From Wiki:

IC3PEAK is a Russian electronic music duo that was founded in 2013. It consists of Anastasia Kreslina and Nikolay Kostilev. They are characterized by the political undertones in their music, particularly criticizing the Russian government. Their radical views and lyrics has led to censorship of their music in 2019. Their effects in mainstream media led to outpouring support throughout the West, and in Russia.

[WonderMomma]

"Russian cybersports players Daniil "Putrick" Abdrakhmanov and Egor "Swizzy" Lucico won $200,000 at the Fortnite championship. However, Epic Games refused to pay the prize money because of the Russian citizenship of the players.

According to them, they were playing from Belarus and their bank accounts were registered in Kazakhstan. Nevertheless, Epic Games, the organizer of the tournament, refused to pay the prize money and disqualified Abdrakhmanov from the FNCS tournament in Copenhagen. The players tried to appeal the decision and sent a request to Epic Games, but they received a refusal with the wording that they come from "a region with limited access to prizes.""



Had no idea where to put this. This video made me fall off my chair.

Whaaaat?

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Pro-Russian sources notoriously get a hard on for any destroyed Ukrainian/NATO equipment. We saw all the anticipation of seeing the first (fill in the blank) (Leopard, Bradley, Challenger, CV90, Stryker, Marder) destroyed and when it happened you would have thought someone won the fucking lottery.

https://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/combat-vehicles/

“ The Challenger 2 is a main battle tank, designed to destroy other tanks. It has been used by the British Army on operations in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo and Iraq, and has never experienced a loss at the hands of the enemy”

These vehicles were promoted and sold as “game changers” by online nato troll farms and also they were often used by many nato members as either illegal occupation vehicles or used in illegal invasions that eventually claimed millions of civilian casualties. As such; those vehicles are viewed as symbols of oppression, and their destruction is thus celebrated

After showing the world that those vehicles are easily destroyed, fans of nato and their actions have shifted their “wunderwaffe” attitude to “the crew might have survived now, it’s all about crew survivability guys!” Which says a lot.

You can look up online what F16s did and how many civilians were ‘accidentally’ bombed by them, so expect many videos of destroyed F16s as well should they be deployed before the conflict ends or Kiev surrenders

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

These vehicles were promoted and sold as “game changers” by online nato troll farms

No, they weren't - once again you're making stuff up to suit some half baked argument in your head. It has always been about crew survivability, but since you're ignorant, have an axe to grind, and have zero experience with these things, your opinion can be outright dismissed. Just as it always has been, by everyone.

[AmigoBandar]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

These vehicles were promoted and sold as “game changers” by online nato troll farms

Perhaps, though anyone realistic knows these aren't wonder weapons. Just another tool to use against the invading occupiers. The more tools, the better.

If anything, it's the Russians who seems to make a big deal out of donated Western arms and ammo, calling each of them red-lines, and justification for total war. Just being their salty selves.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

https://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/combat-vehicles/



These vehicles were promoted and sold as “game changers” by online nato troll farms and also they were often used by many nato members as either illegal occupation vehicles or used in illegal invasions that eventually claimed millions of civilian casualties. As such; those vehicles are viewed as symbols of oppression, and their destruction is thus celebrated

After showing the world that those vehicles are easily destroyed, fans of nato and their actions have shifted their “wunderwaffe” attitude to “the crew might have survived now, it’s all about crew survivability guys!” Which says a lot.

You can look up online what F16s did and how many civilians were ‘accidentally’ bombed by them, so expect many videos of destroyed F16s as well should they be deployed before the conflict ends or Kiev surrenders

No piece of equipment is undestroyable. Some are better than others but nothing is invincible. Anyone with common sense knows that.

And for the millionth time... we're not talking about any other invasion, war, or "special military operation" other than Russia invading Ukraine. We're talking about this illegal invasion of Ukraine by Russia. NATO country soldiers are not in country fighting the Russians with this equipment. Ukrainians are using the equipment to defend their territory against just the type of illegal invasion you're whatabouting about (again). Ukraine didn't invade anyone.

I expect equipment of all kinds, on both sides, to get destroyed. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS DURING WAR. So anyone making a huge deal of it is something that stands out. I personally have never stated Challenger/Leopard/XYZ is a game changer or even "maybe the crew survived". I don't have enough knowledge to make such claims. I think this is all something you've conjured up in your head or you are paying attention to the wrong media. Or both.

You and the rest of the pro-Russian world make such a huge deal about western equipment getting destroyed that its comical. All the Russian government and pro-Russian "enthusiasts" are, at this stage, is something for the majority of the rest of the world to point and laugh at. I actually can't believe it myself. Russia is supposed to be this amazing superpower but alas, here we are.

Case in point "when Kyiv surrenders". You must be high. Russia already tried that and failed miserably. The only way Russia takes Kyiv at this point is if they use nukes, maybe. If they do that, they are done and likely so, are the rest of us.

Game changing factors took part after the first month of the full scale invasion and especially 7 April 2022 when Russia withdrew from the northern territories to focus on the Donbas and the south. The number one game changer has been and always will be the Ukrainian people, themselves. The government, the military and the civilians. As well as the immeasurable amount of support they get from around the world. Russia SEVERELY underestimated them in every way.

[Guns N' Coffee]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

No piece of equipment is undestroyable. Some are better than others but nothing is invincible. Anyone with common sense knows that.

Except for the T-14 Armata, you cannot destroy what you cannot see.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Russia already tried that and failed miserably

I am grateful that Russia did not ‘try that’; the last time somebody did that, 6.700 civilian deaths (not casualties) were recorded in less than 3 weeks.

In Ukraine are now looking at 10.000 civilian deaths after 83 weeks, and that is with civilians actually being used as human shields, according to western NGOs and western newspapers.

You inadvertently made a point though; would the destruction of Kiev and thousands of civilians deaths be justified if it means the surrender of the Kiev regime and the end of the war?

I think the body count would be much higher if Russia went shock and awe, especially with how densely populated Kiev is, and I guess Putin agrees

[Faust]

Originally Posted by AmigoBandar ↗

Another youtuber I'm a big fan of: Jake Broe

I can see why you are a big fan of him

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I am grateful that Russia did not ‘try that’; the last time somebody did that, 6.700 civilian deaths (not casualties) were recorded in less than 3 weeks.

In Ukraine are now looking at 10.000 civilian deaths after 83 weeks, and that is with civilians actually being used as human shields, according to western NGOs and western newspapers.

You inadvertently made a point though; would the destruction of Kiev and thousands of civilians deaths be justified if it means the surrender of the Kiev regime and the end of the war?

I think the body count would be much higher if Russia went shock and awe, especially with how densely populated Kiev is, and I guess Putin agrees

You are blind and brainwashed. Russia DID try to take Kyiv and FAILED miserably. lol at the 40 km convoy that got decimated day in and day out while they were parked on the road out of fuel.

I'm not having the human shields debate with you, yet again. Misinformation and propaganda. There would be ZERO civilian deaths if Russia didn't illegally invade.

KH will be along soon to close this thread and not a moment too soon. THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THREAD.