[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by danieltmv ↗

lmao You cling to the stale narrative of Ukrainians are the just and good that are DESTROYING the evil Russian orks and you wanna talk about embarrassing lmaoooooo Cringing at you lot so hard ahahahahaha

I've never called Russian orcs, either.

If I wanted to cling to Ukrainians really being reptilian martians who are using COD zombie wonder weapons to take out Russians, I fucking will.

And if you want to continue to troll people outside the watercooler, let's just see how that goes for you.

There are four other people (ljubodrag, faust, vilebreed, lookdavook) who happen to be of pro-Russian persuasion and what do they all have in common other than that? They can't stop trolling outside the watercooler and are all banned from this thread for it. Keep going!

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by danieltmv ↗

lmao You cling to the stale narrative of Ukrainians are the just and good that are DESTROYING the evil Russian orks and you wanna talk about embarrassing lmaoooooo Cringing at you lot so hard ahahahahaha

That word spew say's a lot about the level of your intelligence as "Stupid Talk" is a very hard language to comprehend at the best of times, but you take it to a whole new level.
Congratulations on your achievement & here's your prize,

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Back in the truck danny boy

[upinthemountains]

Russia has already won. There is no winning option for Ukraine. They are just sucking the last out of the US money laundering situation. Here is an interesting podcast that discusses it from retired Col Douglas Macgregor

https://www.youtube.com/live/o92oSgU17Lo?feature=share

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by upinthemountains ↗

Russia has already won. There is no winning option for Ukraine. They are just sucking the last out of the US money laundering situation. Here is an interesting podcast that discusses it from retired Col Douglas Macgregor

https://www.youtube.com/live/o92oSgU17Lo?feature=share

Are you high?

Russia hasn't won anything.

It lost millions of its smartest and youngest citizens who left the country and wont come back.

It lost hundreds of thousands of young working-age men who now fertilize Ukrainian soil

It gained tens of thousands of permanently maimed men, who need to be taken care of for the rest of their lives by social workers.

It lost all of its reputation and respect. From the second army in the world to the second army in the Ukraine( yes, it is the second army in Ukraine ).

It lost the most lucrative trade deals and consequently is losing billions-trillions of rubles from its economy.

It lost the spearhead of its military. Its most trained soldiers and most high-tech equipment.

It lost a big chunk of its independence. It went from being an equal partner with the Europe, to being the bitch of Asia.

It lost the trust of it's citizens. All Russians (even the most hardcore Z nazis) can now see that the government is full of bullshit.

Russians also lost their personal freedoms. Before the war, they at least had some say in the government...some rights to protest...some rights for personal privacy. Now, that's gone. If the führer wants you to be dead...you die. If you want to protest against the führer...you disappear.
If you do nothing and act like a model citizen...you may still disappear, because your neighbor liked your plot of land, and decided to point a finger and make you go away. Thats what was done all the time during the Soviet times. People made up false accusations against their neighbors to get their shit. This will start happening again.

It wanted less NATO and gained a new, very long border with NATO instead.

Whatever remains of Ukraine will eventually join NATO as well. If they have to give up Crimea for that...fine. It would count as a draw....not a win for Russia.


To say that Ruzzia has won something is delusional. Even worse... what's gonna happen when the soldiers return...when those who left Ruzzia return? Internal conflicts will rise between the nazi supporters and those who oppose the führer.

This war is far from over and Ruzzia is far from winning.

[Guns N' Coffee]

Col Douglas Macgregor is a well known Kremlin mouthpiece.


https://russiavsworld.org/from-ex-us...las-macgregor/

From US Army man to the agent of Russian propaganda: the case of Douglas Macgregor

Russian agents who promote the Kremlin’s narratives in the world work all over the world. And they are not only among journalists. Today we will introduce an ex-US Army man who switched sides & is now working for the propaganda ministry of Russia. His name is Douglas Macgregor and he’s one of the well-known commentators on the Russo-Ukrainian War, making predictions that never come true.

Military merits

We have to be honest and give Douglas credit. He played a significant role on the battlefield in the 1990-91 Gulf War and the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. His 1997 book Breaking the Phalanx established him as an influential if unconventional theorist of military strategy. His other book, “Transformation under Fire”, was required reading for all officers in the Israeli Army. His thinking contributed to the US strategy in its 2003 invasion of Iraq.

But in 1997 US Army refused him for the 3rd time for a position of combat brigade commander. In 2004 he left the Army. After leaving the military in 2004, he became more politically active.

Political career, Trump and TV shows

Macgregor has appeared as a regular guest on Fox News, with at least 60 Fox weekday appearances from August 2017 to early 2022, including 48 on Tucker Carlson’s show. Carlson has described him as a “one of the people we trust to give us real information.”

From his appearances on FOX, he was also noticed by Trump – In 2020 Macgregor was allegedly 2nd choice candidate for the position of undersecretary of defense for policy. He was also Trump’s candidate for the position of US Ambassador to Germany. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months.

Macgregor’s capability to lie with a straight face was probably why Trump got so interested in him. When it comes to the war in Ukraine, Macgregor is a pathological liar. His predictions are similar to Jehova’s witnesses predictions: they never come true.

Promotion of Russian narratives during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Three days after the invasion has begun, he predicted that “If they don’t surrender in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them.” He also said that “US should stay out of the conflict” and “avoid sending any aid to Ukrainian forces”.

A few days later he said that “Russia has been too gentle” & that “I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.” He’s also called Zelenskyy a puppet and called for Ukraine’s neutralization. After these comments, Tucker Carlson described him as an “honest man”.

In March, Ukrainians were, based on Macgregor, losing again: “grounded to bits. There’s no question about that despite what we report on our mainstream media.” In an interview by the Grayzone, he said that Putin is taking good care of civilians and this delays his victory.

In Sep, 2022, he again told Carlson that “this war may be over soon” and that “the Ukrainian army is bled white, tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops have been killed or wounded. Ukraine is really on the ropes”. This was a few months before Russian troops fled from Kherson.

Macgregor has also been accused of Anti-Semitism, calling Jews “rootless cosmopolitans” (old Russian pejorative epithet) and racism. He said that Mexican immigrants should be shot at the border. He also referred to blacks as an “entitled underclass”.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by upinthemountains ↗

Russia has already won. There is no winning option for Ukraine. They are just sucking the last out of the US money laundering situation. Here is an interesting podcast that discusses it from retired Col Douglas Macgregor

I was going to respond to you how laughably incorrect that is, but skorpion9 covered it

I am ashamed to acknowledge that "Colonel Douglas Macgregor" is also a former US Army officer. Served and trained during the Cold War, and now he's nothing more than a (likely) paid Kremlin mouthpiece in the west. He is a traitor.

[upinthemountains]

Time. Shall. Tell. Beauty of hindsight.

[danieltmv]

Lmao oh no please don’t ban me from the Reddit tier discussion of the Ukraine war! Noooooo pls don’t! Lmao Yeah looks like you’re winning the argument banning opposing viewpoints. It’s not trolling it’s truth goofy. Sorry that your “team” is losing after having so much faith in them ahahahahahahahahaha

[Guns N' Coffee]

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/h...ruined-russia/

How Putin’s War in Ukraine Has Ruined Russia

Thirty years ago this spring, Russia was at the beginning of what would be a dramatic, although uneven, economic recovery following the collapse of the Soviet Union in December 1991. At the moment of the Soviet collapse, Russia inherited a budget deficit that was conservatively estimated at 20 percent of GNP, it faced the threat of hyperinflation, economic growth was negative, there were shortages throughout the economy, foreign reserves were virtually nonexistent, and it was racking up a mountain of international loan commitments. The state faced the realistic threat of famine and bankruptcy. In the decades that followed, however, Russia traveled a long way down the road of economic and social modernization. This was partially due to high global prices for its exports. The country also benefited from good macroeconomic policy and the stewardship of Elvira Nabiullina, the smart and surprisingly independent chairwoman of the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) since 2013. Despite Vladimir Putin’s propensity to use public assets for his own personal benefit and that of his former KGB cronies, by 23 February 2022, the day before Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the country had paid off its debts, built up sizeable foreign reserves, and for the most part maintained a budget surplus.

To be sure, Putin’s hardening autocracy, especially after his return to the Kremlin in 2012, worked against further socioeconomic gains rather than in their favor. After 2014 and the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine and just as the global pandemic began in 2020, real wages were dropping, wealth inequality was rising, and foreign investment had fallen to levels not seen since 2003.

Nonetheless, Russians had never lived longer or better since the collapse of communism, even if still below most other postcommunist countries. At purchasing power parity, Russian GDP per capita peaked in 2019 at US$29,967, just below Poland and Portugal, for example, a little less than twice that of China, and about four times higher than in 1999, the first year of clear postcommunist economic growth in Russia. A great deal, though not all of Russia’s economic progress could be attributed to its revenues from oil and natural-gas exports, but oil prices had long since dropped from their sky-high values of the early 2000s. In 2019, oil prices reached $64 per barrel, a little more than half of their all-time high in 2012, and despite the sanctions imposed by the United States and European allies following the Crimean annexation in 2014, Russia’s economy continued to squeeze out an annualized growth rate of 2.1 percent in the year before the covid-19 pandemic.

But if thirty years of uneven postcommunist recovery had seen Russia’s resurgence, we are now seeing its ruin. Vladimir Putin’s autocracy has not just wrought havoc on Ukraine, it has wrecked Russia, too. In a little more than eight weeks, Putin’s unjust and ill-conceived war has erased the gains of the last three decades.

The toll on Ukrainians is far greater than on Russians in material terms and, tragically, in lives lost. Ukrainian bravery in the face of Russian barbarism, however, has made Ukrainians a nation of heroes, while Russians have been rendered international pariahs, unable to travel abroad easily and suffering under the heaviest sanctions ever imposed anywhere in world history. The burden of Putin’s war on Ukraine will be borne by average Russian citizens for decades, if not longer. The damage done to Russian society, the economy, its military, its political development, and its international reputation will far out live Putin. Here are some of the ways in which Putin has managed to ruin Russia.

The “Pariah Economy”

The most obvious catastrophe that Putin has brought about by invading Ukraine is and will be economic. Scholars at Yale Business School reported that more than a thousand international companies had curtailed or shuttered their businesses in Russia by the eighth week of the war. More will surely follow. Most Russians won’t feel much pain from the shutdown of Aston Martin or Burberry, but the unavailability of repair and replacement items from companies such as Apple, Bombardier, Boeing, Dupont, Ericsson, Intel, and Analog Devices will hit labor productivity, consumers, and eventually the supply and production chain of Russian industry. These exits will also leave hundreds of thousands more Russians unemployed. Longer term, with Putin and the Duma threatening to confiscate any remaining assets of companies that have quickly fled Russia, few foreign investors will return anytime soon. It is sadly reminiscent of what happened to the Russian economy when the Bolsheviks seized power in 1917.

The heavy sanctions regime imposed on Russia since February will not soon be lifted given the Russian military’s brutality. Sanctions work slowly and are a somewhat clumsy tool to deter and punish a state for its behavior. We haven’t yet seen their full effect on the Russian economy. Yes, some of Russia’s super rich cannot access their yachts and mansions in London, Rome, or Zurich. They cannot send their children abroad for school, nor can they or their family members travel outside of Russia for the time being. While these are inconveniences, the freezing (and seizing) of their assets in foreign banks hurts more, although as long as they continue to support Putin, and reconcile themselves to remaining in Russia for the rest of their lives, they will survive.

But the effects of the sanctions on the broader Russian economy will end the project of Russian economic modernization that has proceeded in fits and starts over the last three decades. Foreign investment was low before, and it will only get lower. Europe will move off its dependence first on Russian oil (there are many alternative sources of oil, and it is a commodity that is easy to transport from elsewhere), and even its overwhelming dependence on Russian natural gas. It will, of course, take two or three years for liquefied-natural-gas terminals to be built in Germany in particular, but once those terminals are built, European customers will likely never need to buy natural gas from Russia again. Under Putin’s disastrous leadership, Russia has proven itself beyond doubt to be an unreliable supplier. Short term, the transition will hurt Europeans as gas prices continue to rise. But in the long term, it is the Russian economy, and Russians, who will suffer the most. The European market is gone not just for now, but forever, and with it much-needed revenue to the Russian budget.

Putin only allowed economic modernization up to a point and was slow to encourage diversification of the economy. While Russia sells military equipment and weaponry abroad, chemicals, coal, precious metals, and civilian nuclear power plants, revenue from these sectors almost certainly cannot ramp up fast enough to replace what has been and will be lost from oil and gas exports to Europe. Even if China increases its purchases of Russian oil and natural gas, it cannot replace the European market for Russia. And China will undoubtedly drive a hard bargain, using the enormous leverage it will have obtained over Russia in the absence of a European alternative market.

One of the major achievements of Russia’s post-Soviet economy had been its low debt-to-GDP ratio, accumulation of foreign reserves, robust national wealth fund to smooth over the inevitable booms and busts from the price volatility of its carbon-export revenues. Russia had also managed to maintain low inflation and unemployment rates. In less than sixty days, Putin has blown all of this up too. The Central Bank of Russia (CBR) and longtime chairwoman Nabiullina fought for years to maintain good macroeconomic and fiscal policy—and they had succeeded.

But at the start of the Russian invasion, Nabiullina was rumored to have quit her post because Putin’s war was destroying all she had accomplished for the Russian economy. He refused, however, to accept her resignation, and she was recently reappointed for a third five-year term to oversee the undoing of her past policies. The Russian economy is projected to shrink by 11.2 percent by the end of 2022 even if the war ends tomorrow. And it won’t. This will be due not only to the gradually increasing impact of Western sanctions, but also because of a brain drain from Russia, declining employment as foreign companies pack up and leave, the increasing cost of living, and a resulting decline in consumption. The removal of Russian banks from the SWIFT banking system will also make trade slower and more difficult. Supply shortages for computer chips will hamper Russian manufacturing processes, further exacerbating covid-related supply-chain issues. As a result, consumer prices are anticipated to rise from 9 percent in 2021 to as high as 22 percent in 2022.

At the end of January 2022, Russia had amassed $630 billion in foreign reserves, the fourth-largest in the world. But Russia has no access to about half of that sum now because the funds that are held in foreign banks are now under sanction. Putin is turning Russia into an autarky; it’s effectively heading back to the USSR.

A Closed Society

This long (and yet still incomplete) list of damage to the Russian economy will continue to unravel all the health and demographic gains that Russia had made before the February invasion (gains made despite Putin’s leadership, not because of it). Population growth had leveled off by 2018 or so, reversing the demographic catastrophe of the late Soviet period and 1990s. But Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has hastened what had already been called the “Putin Exodus” of educated young professionals that had begun after 2015. The BBC reported in mid-March that as many as 25,000 Russians had already arrived in Georgia, while others went to Turkey and Armenia because airspace to Europe and North America was closed to Russian flights. One estimate put the number of Russians who had fled the country in the first four weeks of the war at up to 200,000.

Cyberspace too has become far more restricted since the Russian attack. Russia’s 80 million Instagram users had to say goodbye to the platform in the first few weeks of the war. The Russian government’s ban on the platform followed blocked access to Facebook and Twitter because they refused to bend to the Kremlin’s demands that they stop attempting to censor official Russian state media.

Russia’s last source of independent information—the radio station Ekho Moskvy—was shut down at the start of the war, and the YouTube-based TV station Dozhd was blocked the same day. The lack of access to alternative sources of information to state-controlled media may well be helping to keep support for the war surprisingly high. One of the only polls taken on the “special military action” (it is illegal in Russia to call it a war), done by the respected Levada Center, pegged general support at roughly 81 percent of the population, but at about 10 percent lower than that for 18 to 24 year-olds, who grew up not knowing the hardships of the 1990s, owning the newest smart phones and accessing the internet and European and U.S. television shows, and having the ability to travel abroad without much trouble. All of that is gone now too, so time will tell whether public support for the invasion remains high—especially as Russian soldiers come home disabled, dead, or not at all.

Russian civil society has been under assault since 2012, when Putin reassumed the presidency. The cost of public protest increased following crackdowns after the massive anti-Putin protests of December 2011 and early 2012. In 2022, even holding up a blank piece of paper outside the Kremlin comes with certain arrest, jail time of up to fifteen years, and a fine of up to 50,000 rubles or almost a month’s wages for the average person. With any real opposition leader either in jail (Alexei Navalny was just sentenced to another nine years) or forced to live abroad due to the risk of certain arrest if they returned, it is difficult to see who would organize mass demonstrations against Putin and the war, but life under sanctions and the pariah economy Putin has created may well push some segments of society to the point of taking to the streets in protest should the war go on much longer. Time is not on Putin’s side.

Destroying Russia’s Standing in the World

Finally, Putin’s war has ruined Russia’s reputation abroad. In the months preceding the war, as Russian forces amassed on Ukraine’s border, both he and his diplomats consistently maintained that Russia had no intention of invading, and then of course, without provocation, they did just that. They acted in bad faith in violating repeated ceasefires to allow Ukrainian civilians to evacuate cities such as Mariupol before the Russian military turned them into rubble. The Russian military has violated the laws of war in clearly targeting civilians throughout Ukraine, and Russian soldiers and their commanders have used rape and torture against civilians in Bucha and elsewhere.

Putin’s strange speeches extolling his warped understanding of Russian-Ukrainian relations and his laughable characterization of Ukraine’s president Volodymir Zelensky (who is Jewish) and his elected government as “Nazis” has led foreign leaders to question his sanity. Having already been suspended indefinitely from the G-8 in 2014, Russia is now a pariah in the G-20 and was suspended from the UN Human Rights Council following evidence of war crimes in Ukraine in April 2022.

The pitiful performance of the Russian military (with an estimated 15,000 casualties in the first 7 weeks of fighting, about the same number of casualties in nine years of the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan) and especially the failed attempt to seize Kyiv in the first month of the war has also ruined the reputation of the Russian armed forces. Despite an expensive and extensive military reform in the last decade, Russia will lose this war to the much smaller, far less well-equipped Ukrainian defense forces. Soviet heroes of the Second World War must be rolling in their graves. The corruption that Putin has allowed to run rampant throughout the Russian political system has helped to erode its military prowess. Soldiers and commanders alike were purportedly selling off their equipment even as they were setting up to deploy in Belarus. They have plundered Ukrainians’ homes, stealing as much as possible and sending the loot back to Russia.

And so, the cycle is complete. Three decades after the collapse of the Soviet empire, Russians are being dragged back in time to when Soviet citizens lived isolated from the rest of the world, in a bubble of failed ideology and misinformation. That system fell apart under just the kind of autarky and autocracy that Putin hopes to reimpose. Just as the Soviet system collapsed, Putin is also failing Russia, erasing the gains of the postcommunist period in a feckless attempt to rebuild a doomed empire.

Article originally published in May 2022