[scoRch]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Just because you're extra salty that you got your ass handed to you in another part of DR does not mean bring it into here.

Faust said:
"But sexual offenders cross the line. They have absolutely no morals and would be the kind of people who support the Kiev regime and Donbas genocide"

I guess I am a sexual offender now

[Faust]

Originally Posted by scoRch ↗

Faust said:
"But sexual offenders cross the line. They have absolutely no morals and would be the kind of people who support the Kiev regime and Donbas genocide"

I guess I am a sexual offender now

i don’t think you are allowed to discuss the Donbas genocide or your support for it in here..

[scoRch]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

i don’t think you are allowed to discuss the Donbas genocide or your support for it in here..

Since 2014, Russia falsely accused Ukraine of genocide in the Donbas region. Russian propaganda claimed that Ukrainian authorities have undertaken measures amidst the war in Donbas that amount to genocide against Russian speakers of Ukraine.

U can fuck off with your genocide, clown

[Faust]

Originally Posted by scoRch ↗

Since 2014, Russia falsely accused Ukraine of genocide in the Donbas region. Russian propaganda claimed that Ukrainian authorities have undertaken measures amidst the war in Donbas that amount to genocide against Russian speakers of Ukraine.

U can fuck off with your genocide, clown

Western media in the year 2000:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../07/iantraynor

Some Ukrainians:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7991

Here is a university paper:
https://socialsciences.uottawa.ca/uk...r_language.pdf

And also we have the EU itself confirming it:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo...010539_EN.html

You can fuck off yourself, assclown.

[scoRch]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Western media in the year 2000:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../07/iantraynor

Some Ukrainians:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7991

Here is a university paper:
https://socialsciences.uottawa.ca/uk...r_language.pdf

And also we have the EU itself confirming it:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo...010539_EN.html

You can fuck off yourself, assclown.

There is not a single sentence mentioning anything regarding your imaginary donbas genocide.

On the other hand, when I type donbas genocide in Google, it spits out tons of articles such as "Fake: Ukraine Committed Genocide Against Donbas"

Jfc, srsly, get your head out of your ass, this is just pathetic



Have a nice day

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Western media in the year 2000:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../07/iantraynor

Some Ukrainians:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7991

Here is a university paper:
https://socialsciences.uottawa.ca/uk...r_language.pdf

And also we have the EU itself confirming it:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo...010539_EN.html

You can fuck off yourself, assclown.

Do you even read the shit that you post?
Do you even bother to think what you post?

Ill make a quick summary of the first article for ya.

They talk to 1 guy and he apparently had extreme views on his country. He namely wanted to revive his native language which was strategically suppressed by the Russians for half a century( just like in other occupied Russian territories, where Russian is the first language, and people's own native language is a second language at best).

That extremist said:

"I've not really got anything against Russians. Some of them are my friends. But they've got to realize this is not Russia, this is Ukraine, and I love my country."

"If the Russians don't like it here, they should leave."

Hmm, I ... agree. Im sure Americans agree that USA is not Mexico...its USA and russians agree that Russia is not China, its Russia.

Mr Dzhmyl is a foot soldier on the frontline of Ukraine's linguistic war. In a country where Ukrainian - banned by Russian tsars and communists - is now the official tongue but the majority still speak Russian, language is an incendiary issue.

Yes... language has become an issue because it was unnaturally suppressed by the occupying forces. If you spend a century Russifying a country and then that country tries to undo the damage done...then of course you are gonna have some points of friction.

Then, there is a paragraph about some kids drawing graffiti and vandalizing some stores( basically France every single day, but on a far far smaller scale. Just a few kids. )

Then, after another paragraph about some language statistics, comes the main part of the article...which Faust didn't read.

Lviv's language war was ignited by the death of a popular local folk-singer, Igor Bilozir. At an outdoor cafe one evening in May, he and a friend were playing his Ukrainian ballads while a group of Russian youths at the next table were singing songs in Russian.

The Russians warned Bilozir to stop singing in Ukrainian. He refused. They came to blows. The fighting spilled along the street and the 45-year-old slumped to the ground after a blow to the head. He died three weeks later in hospital, becoming for Ukrainian nationalists an instant martyr.

"He (Ukrainian) was killed because he sang songs in his own language," says Mr Parubi.

From another source:

For an intentional murder under hooligan motives to 15 years imprisonment was convicted a former counter-intelligence officer Dmytro Voronov and 12 years imprisonment - his friend Yuriy Kalinin, both ethnic Russians.

Now, this is something that Russians do. I've seen this in my own country and quite recently there was even a case where a native Russian speaking YouTuber was attacked on the streets of Moscow for not speaking Russian( he was speaking in English for the video ).

So, what I got from this article, is that an ex-Russian FSB agent whose old habits of attacking and subjugating non-Russians in their own country, cost a folk singer his life.
Also, that article is from a year 2000 is I'm not mistaken. Thats way before the events of 2014.


Now, lets move on to the next link you posted( and didn't read again )

A Quick Summary.

It's mostly statistics and overview of the regions, numbers and percentages which everyone already knows. There are a few key points that the writer makes though and ill highlight those points below.

Language is also an emotional topic in Ukraine. Ukrainian-speakers tend
to present the predominance of Russian in the southeast as the result of an
artificial “Russification” – the policies of Imperial Russia and the Soviet Union
that prevented the use of Ukrainian in cities (Ukrainian was banned under
the Tsars and Ukrainian schools disappeared from cities of southeastern
Ukraine in the 1950s). That is something Russian-speakers (who are mostly
ethnic Ukrainian) resent, since they do not like being told that their language
of comfort is not legitimate.

[...]Russian-speakers fail to understand that the official bilingualism that they
demand means the willingness to speak two languages, not Russian exclusivity.

And boom, again. Hits the nail on its head.
Ukrainians have no problem with Russians, because most Ukrainians can also speak Russian.
It's Russians that have a problem with bilingualism because it would require them to learn another language. Russians don't learn new languages unless they are really really forced to.
I have a 95-year-old Russian living across the street who has lived all her life here in Estonia and can't speak more than 3 words of Estonian. Yet, Ukrainians who arrived here a year ago can already hold up a job and communicate basic stuff in Estonian.

Russia is now demanding that Russian should
become a second “state language,” which is a non-starter, as the experience
of Belarus amply demonstrates what two state languages actually mean in
practice in the post-Soviet world: only Russian is used in state offices. If people
accustomed to speak Russian are told they can use Russian in all situations,
then they will and speakers of the other language have to accommodate.

And here lies a problem. It's not only that Russians can use Russian to do official state stuff. The problem is that Ukrainians are also required to speak Russian and over time, the Ukrainian language will cease to exist. Why do Ukrainians have to speak Russian too? Because it's not optional if you are required to serve customers in Russian. Every government/service job will require that you must speak Russian. Russians already speak Russian, so they would continue speaking in Russian and not learn Ukrainian.
Ukrainians on the other hand would still have to learn Russian because that would obviously be a requirement on every job application.
Russian bilingualism means that Russians will speak Russian as their only language, and everyone else must also speak Russian as their second language.

Instead, Ukraine should step back from the brink. Politicians must recognize
that language rights starts with individuals, not those in positions of authority:
it is people who need to have the choice of speaking Russian or Ukrainian when
dealing with the state. This means that state officials across the whole country
must be conversant in both, that graduation in school must be contingent of
an active knowledge of Ukrainian, and the language of state administration at
the national level must be Ukrainian.

And again, this is what Ukrainian language laws actually wanted to achieve. Not that Russian would be banned, but that Russians would learn Ukrainian as their second language, so that Ukrainians could speak their native language in their own country and not be forced to speak Russian.

Ethnic Russians in Ukraine do not come together as one bloc (even
in Crimea, the Russian nationalist party, which was installed in power by the
Russian military obtained only four percent of the vote in the last provincial
election), notwithstanding the violent attempts by Russia to portray ethnic
Russians in peril.

I'll go over the other articles too if I have some time, but, I'm starting to get the picture here.

[Guns N' Coffee]

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Western media in the year 2000:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../07/iantraynor

Some Ukrainians:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7991

Here is a university paper:
https://socialsciences.uottawa.ca/uk...r_language.pdf

And also we have the EU itself confirming it:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo...010539_EN.html

You can fuck off yourself, assclown.

No one cares about your cringy horseshit, Faust. You owe the earth oxygen.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Another example of Faust not reading the articles he posts to support whatever crackpot "facts" he has, just add that to the ocean of examples. Props to skorpion9 for having the patience to break it down

Faust ˈfaʊst
verb
to speculate recklessly; to carelessly theorize from incorrect assumptions and/or dubious sources claiming to be reputable:
"Did you see that unintelligible dogshit he said earlier? He was fausting like a motherfucker."

to read or perceive only part of an article or information source and make wildly incorrect conclusions about it:
"He totally fausted that Telegraph article, it's like he read none of it."
"He's fausting again, making erroneous conclusions from something I said to suit his argument."

to exercise one's dishonesty and mental gymnastics in order to obfuscate being exposed as incorrect about an earlier topic of conversation:
"He got salty about being debunked yesterday so he started fausting to save face."

[scorpion9]

To finish off with this post, ill reply to the remaining links:

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Some Ukrainians:
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7991

Quick summary: its just a paragraph full of percentages and numbers, for a poll question: should Russian language be granted an official status...and the result of the poll was that around half of Ukrainians said no. I agree. If I live in a country X, then an obvious expectation is that the official language of that country is X.

Just FYI, from wikipedia:

Although Russian is the only official language of the Russian Federation, there are several other officially-recognized languages for areas within Russia.

So, even in Russia, there is only one official language on the federal level. All occupied territories must learn and speak the language of their occupier. They are allowed to speak their own language too, but as reality shows, most other languages and cultures within Russia are in steady decline...and have been so for a long time.

And: And also we have the EU itself confirming it:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo...010539_EN.html

Hmm, did you read your own link?
Well I did and here is a quick summary.

The important bit:

According to a number of reports,[1][2] the Ukrainian Parliament has adopted a bill banning the use of minority languages such as Greek, Russian and Hungarian, thereby undermining any notions of justice, freedom, civilisation, progress and democracy.

It is someones question( a question ) to EU parliament( not a statement or resolution of the parliament itself ).
The question is based on 4 pro-russian blog posts/yellow news site articles.
I checked out those articles and well, 1 was a Wordpress site, 1 didn't exist anymore and 1 was a small site with a list of anecdotes and other yellow news paper crap on its front pages/sidebars.

So, the question was already based on crap and whoever asked the question in turn added his own shitty opinion on top of the preexisting crap.

Now, did you also read the EU response to that question?
No, you didn't...but I did.

Here it is.

[Vice-President Mogherini] The Commission is not aware of any ban on use of minority languages in Ukraine. In February 2014, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a law, revoking the language policy law of 2012, which has however been effectively vetoed by the then Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov, and therefore has not entered into force.