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Oliver Stone - useful idiot and filmmaking rag of putin propaganda

As the russian troops failed to capture Kyiv and face huge military losses, the bigger efforts russians will dedicate to their propaganda machine. The whole world is still in shock by russian crimes and the world is united against putin, against the world. But the main message and attempt of russian propaganda is to try to show that there are different opinions, there are some particular “geopolitical” reasons which justify the genocide, and that the russian propaganda itself might be the “alternative” news.

In this informational struggle which continues for years, russians use multiple factors, from the secret services networks, troll farms, propagandists on payroll, and of course - the useful idiots.

Oliver Stone is definitely the useful idiot. A while back I watched his “​​Ukraine on Fire” as well as a long interview with Putin, and Putin’s main agent in Ukraine - Medvedchuk. For me, all of these videos look like cheap propaganda, but I acknowledge that it is high-quality propaganda first of all because Oliver Stone is a known name and he made some popular films before. I assume some people might be influenced by this propaganda, and I assume that the film director was not paid for doing this work and decided to become russian useful idiot. Why? Maybe because of the possibility to have warm conversations with “the richest man in the world”. It’s a fact that probably no other western journalist could spend so much time with Putin and Oliver Stone as it seems from the interview is really proud of that fact.

So the recent interview Oliver Stone gave on Lex Fridman podcast really disappointed me. Oliver acted as a “devil’s advocate” repeating all the basic lines of Putin propaganda. I hope at least he would try to fabricate some “insider” information but he mentioned that he didn’t speak with Putin for 2 years.

In March it went over the news that Oliver Stone condemned Putin's 'aggression' in Ukraine stating that Russia was wrong to invade its neighbor. But as it is clear now, Oliver Stone is repeating the russian cliches such as if Putin would not invade, Ukraine would attack Donbas, that US and its allies in NATO have been provoking Russia, that “Russian Ukrainians” were discriminated etc. etc.

This article I wrote because Lex Fridman and his podcasts are famous in the cryptocurrency industry, as he invited many crypto-entepreneurs and visionaries such as Vitalik Buterin (who while being Russian by ethnicity condemned russian aggression from the beginning and donated a huge amount of money to support Ukraine). Lex Fridman had a podcast even with Elon Musk and other modern visionaries, so this time I’m a bit sad that he gave his time to russian propagandist. But all I can do is write short article, explaining why Oliver Stone has no credibility in my eyes and if it will be necessary, I can write a longer article explaining his lies and propaganda cliches spoken in this video or before in his previous propagandist works.

First of all Oliver Stone has really no clue about Ukraine, and in the beginning, he even acknowledges it, saying that he doesn’t know much as has been to Ukraine 1 time in 1980 during the Soviet Union. Let’s check some particular examples.

He mentiones Victor Medvedchuk whom he called “Medvedev” (yes, like Dmitrii Medvedev, ex- president of russia). He interviewed Medvedchuk but still can’t remember his name or can’t see the difference between him and Medvedev. By the way - that particular interview is not even cheap propaganda, it’s a political advertisement. It was released just before the elections and it definitely helped to gain more results for Medvedchuk and his party. Such propaganda and advertisement is not cheap, the only thing we can ask is how much Oliver Stone was paid for it and like Manafort he might be asked if he payed taxes from this income.

Then Oliver Stone continues to make his mistakes, saying that “Medved was very important figure in the administration of Kuchma, the first Ukrainian prime-minister in the 1990”. Then he continues his compliments to the Medvedchuk saying that “He did a great job on the economy. He was very thoughtful man”. Well, Leonid Kuchma was president (and not first) in 90s and if to be precise, Medvedchuk was the head of administration in 2002—2005. You can think these are the small mistakes, who cares about Ukrainian politics? I don’t expect foreigners to know all the details about Ukrainian politics, but if you don’t know something - why give false information. For me it’s a definitive sign, that Oliver Stone is not willing to go deep into the details, he doesn’t even want to hear the Ukrainian side, his task is simple - promote medvedchuk, putin, russia…

Answering the question that Zelenskyy is fighting for the sovereignty of his nation, Oliver stone responds: “He thinks so. He could say that. He’s not acknowledging that the sovereignty of his nation was stolen in 2014 with a coup d’etat that brought this Right Sector into power”. Another stupid russian propaganda myth. In the parliamentary elections after Maidan, Right Sector had only 2 MPs (from 450) who won in single-mandate districts (moreover later they left Right Sector, and now for a long time Right Sector as a political party has no big influence). But back then, Right Sector was a scarecrow for brainwashed russians and for their satellites all over the world. No wonder Oliver Stone repeats these propaganda instructions, the only thing is that these instructions were from back in that time, and he probably didn’t update yet all of his newer instructions now.

In these hard times of war, it’s hard to see people who are really neutral about the russian war against Ukraine. The vast majority of intellectuals support Ukraine, some as Oliver Stone - support russia. Don’t mistake his position for a neutral one - he is a small element of russian propaganda machine, he put his name and reputation to serve putin’s evil deeds.
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V

Yeah I cringe when I hear stone say the dumb shit he does because in a fan of some of his stuff.. His last time on Rogan was hard for me to listen to
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V

Diane Sare, an independent candidate for the US Senate from New York told that the current US policy towards the Ukrainian crisis is insane.

Here we see people free to express their views without threat of punishment. As opposed to anything but the State agenda being outlawed or stifled in Russia and other authoritative countries.
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Edit: there are some reports that grain dust can explode by itself due to some fermentation process. But for Turkey this has not happened before. So I am guessing it has something to do with weapons smuggling
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there are some reports that grain dust can explode by itself due to some fermentation process. But for Turkey this has not happened before. So I am guessing it has something to do with weapons smuggling
Grain Dust Explosions - Ag Safety and Health

https://ag-safety.extension.org › grain-dust-explosions

Grain dust is highly combustible, so a fire or an explosion can happen at a large grain-handling facility or in a grain-storage area on a local farm or ranch. Four basic elements must be present for a grain dust explosion to occur: fuel, oxygen, confinement, and an ignition source.


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Grain Dust Explosions - Ag Safety and Health

Four basic elements must be present for a grain dust explosion to occur: fuel, oxygen, confinement, and an ignition source.
Or, please bear with me for a moment, or like in this particular case, you can achieve exactly the same results with only one element present, and that would be a 155mm M107 HE conventional hollow forged steel projectile filled with comp B high-explosive. Occam's razor?
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I cannot download Twitter videos but this *could be where they loaded some of the nato weapons for smuggling into the Ukraine:

https://www.rt.com/news/580952-turki...ain-explosion/

Hope it was not depleted uranium.

Edit: there are some reports that grain dust can explode by itself due to some fermentation process. But for Turkey this has not happened before. So I am guessing it has something to do with weapons smuggling

Smuggling: the illegal movement of goods into or out of a country.
I know you know the difference but post things wrong knowingly to confuse less attentive people.
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V

https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine

Russia criticizes the talks in Saudi Arabia on ending the war in Ukraine after Moscow not invited

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russia’s Foreign Ministry on Monday chided efforts by international officials meeting in Saudi Arabia to find a peaceful settlement for the war in Ukraine, saying the talks don’t have “the slightest added value” because Moscow — unlike Kyiv — wasn’t invited.

Senior officials from around 40 countries gathered Sunday in Jeddah for a two-day meeting that aims to agree on key principles about how to end the conflict that has raged for more than 17 months.

But without Russia’s participation and without taking into account Moscow’s interests, the meeting was pointless, a Russian Foreign Ministry statement said. It repeated previous assurances that Russia is open to a diplomatic solution on its terms that ends the war and that it is ready to respond to serious proposals.

But Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Zelenskyy, ruled out Moscow’s previous demands that would give Russia time to dig in deeper in the parts of Ukraine it has occupied.

He said on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Russian forces must fully withdraw from the occupied areas and there would be no Kyiv compromise on that.
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread V

I cannot download Twitter videos but this *could be where they loaded some of the nato weapons for smuggling into the Ukraine:

https://www.rt.com/news/580952-turki...ain-explosion/

Hope it was not depleted uranium.

Edit: there are some reports that grain dust can explode by itself due to some fermentation process. But for Turkey this has not happened before. So I am guessing it has something to do with weapons smuggling
You can see the explosion begins from the middle of the grain elevator...when some dust/smoke starts to pour down. It then spreads down. Looks more like a dust explosion with big fireballs and deflagration.
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You can see the explosion begins from the middle of the grain elevator...when some dust/smoke starts to pour down. It then spreads down. Looks more like a dust explosion with big fireballs and deflagration.
Good catch!

What's with the video? Black screen on my end.
here on iPad with the latest software it works, so should work on basically anything, maybe reboot the computer if you cannot force-close the browser
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